The uhh, taxonomic system? The fact that humans can produce offspring with each other but not other animals? The fact that humans are capable of intelligent communication and all but maybe the very smartest non-human animals (e.g. dolphins) aren't?
Do you really want to say the difference between races is the same as the difference between humans and other animals? Because yikes.
Oh, so it's a matter of taxonomy, then? Not the capacity for suffering? Hmmm.. seems to me there were some eugenicists that made similar arguments. Go figure.
Who says a distinction needs to be made? I guess since there is some difference between dogs and humans, that makes it ok to beat dogs to death they might taste good? Exceptional materialism there, comrade.
ok, then replaced dog with pig. Or Aardvark. The logic is unchanged. Jesus, I would have hoped that people who considered themselves "communists" would be better able to think this through.
I am fortunate that I get to spend a lot of time around wild animals, and I feel that they're regard for the world around them, each other, their offspring, suffering, and anything else you can think of is not human. They shouldn't be anthropomorphized. Your ability to relate to them (and vice versa) is very limited.
This isn't a criticism of being compassionate towards animals, but something to keep in mind. I wouldn't feel confident in your ability to read them on an emotional level.
I spend an enormous amount of time around wildlife, it's part of my fucking job actually. And it requires no anthropomorphization and it does not mean that their suffering is identical to human suffering (no shit, you don't need to be an animal expert to recognize this obvious reality). Their experience, their suffering is real. And just as a colonial power could never understand the experience and suffering of a colonized populous, the fact that you write it off as "different therefore invalid" means you are not. a. leftist. That's really what your whole argument boils down to, their suffering is different than human suffering, therefore it doesn't need to be considered or valued.
lol. It has nothing to do with how I "read them on an emotional level." I don't need to to regard them as worthy of NOT TORTURING THEM TO DEATH BECAUSE THEY TASTE GOOD.
Fine. I've got to go to bed. I can reliably relate to other people, which I suppose is at least part of the reason I don't eat them. I don't actually eat animals very often either. I don't know or care if there's some universal truth to eating animals being unjust. This is mostly distraction from my original assertion that veganism is fine, but it's not communism.
Yeah, I guess you're right, the ability to experience suffering doesn't count as something that might bind things together into any kind of category. If it ain't human, fuck it! Right?
What's our question? About distinctions existing? Yeah, they do. And guess qhat, distinctions between human lineages exist too! Oh no.
The uhh, taxonomic system? The fact that humans can produce offspring with each other but not other animals? The fact that humans are capable of intelligent communication and all but maybe the very smartest non-human animals (e.g. dolphins) aren't?
Do you really want to say the difference between races is the same as the difference between humans and other animals? Because yikes.
Oh, so it's a matter of taxonomy, then? Not the capacity for suffering? Hmmm.. seems to me there were some eugenicists that made similar arguments. Go figure.
Who says a distinction needs to be made? I guess since there is some difference between dogs and humans, that makes it ok to beat dogs to death they might taste good? Exceptional materialism there, comrade.
The fact that distinctions exist for literally anything?
Also, humans and dogs co-evolved to be partners and companions.
ok, then replaced dog with pig. Or Aardvark. The logic is unchanged. Jesus, I would have hoped that people who considered themselves "communists" would be better able to think this through.
I am fortunate that I get to spend a lot of time around wild animals, and I feel that they're regard for the world around them, each other, their offspring, suffering, and anything else you can think of is not human. They shouldn't be anthropomorphized. Your ability to relate to them (and vice versa) is very limited.
This isn't a criticism of being compassionate towards animals, but something to keep in mind. I wouldn't feel confident in your ability to read them on an emotional level.
I spend an enormous amount of time around wildlife, it's part of my fucking job actually. And it requires no anthropomorphization and it does not mean that their suffering is identical to human suffering (no shit, you don't need to be an animal expert to recognize this obvious reality). Their experience, their suffering is real. And just as a colonial power could never understand the experience and suffering of a colonized populous, the fact that you write it off as "different therefore invalid" means you are not. a. leftist. That's really what your whole argument boils down to, their suffering is different than human suffering, therefore it doesn't need to be considered or valued.
lol. It has nothing to do with how I "read them on an emotional level." I don't need to to regard them as worthy of NOT TORTURING THEM TO DEATH BECAUSE THEY TASTE GOOD.
Fine. I've got to go to bed. I can reliably relate to other people, which I suppose is at least part of the reason I don't eat them. I don't actually eat animals very often either. I don't know or care if there's some universal truth to eating animals being unjust. This is mostly distraction from my original assertion that veganism is fine, but it's not communism.
"Umm actually when you replace this one thing with this completely different thing your argument fails. There's actually zero difference..."
But you still haven't answered my question, you tried to dodge it.
Yeah, I guess you're right, the ability to experience suffering doesn't count as something that might bind things together into any kind of category. If it ain't human, fuck it! Right?
What's our question? About distinctions existing? Yeah, they do. And guess qhat, distinctions between human lineages exist too! Oh no.
No, the question was this:
And you're even doing it again.