if we're just thinking about different factions and their interests, there were people who considered JFK too "soft" on communism and anti-imperialism. He was still very anti-communist but he generally respected the idea sovereignty for non-aligned countries slightly more than the other warhawks, and they resented him for it.
The CIA and State Department had to coup Sukarno [I meant Patrice Lumumba] days before JFK got into office because they correctly assumed he would've tried to stop it. He was a Cold Warrior dedicated to the American project, he just wasn't a psychotic Nazi like the people who shortly came to run everything.
I don't doubt the makeup of the factions involved in the happenings here, but the timing is a bit off. There was definitely CIA action against Sukarno in the last few years of the Eisenhower administration, but he'd largely defeated the rebels in '58, and the biggest assassination attempt against him occurred in March 1960. Sukarno lasted until well into the Johnson administration.
if i've learned one thing from blowback, it's that the cia and military have always been run by literal demons, allen dulles might have been the most demonic of them all.
Pretty much by definition, when you're the President. But by shaking up the former Eisenhower administration, he pulled the rug out from under the old Cold War guard on a scale we wouldn't see again until the Trump Admin.
Functionally, he was killed for the crime of undermining Cold War leadership in the midst of hostilities.
yeah like, why would the CIA, who undoubtedly surveilled the president constantly somehow think he was a Russian spy? you're ascribing to them a level of competence high enough to carry out an assassination plot, but low enough to reach such an idiotic conclusion.
lol where are they even getting this from
if we're just thinking about different factions and their interests, there were people who considered JFK too "soft" on communism and anti-imperialism. He was still very anti-communist but he generally respected the idea sovereignty for non-aligned countries slightly more than the other warhawks, and they resented him for it.
The CIA and State Department had to coup Sukarno [I meant Patrice Lumumba] days before JFK got into office because they correctly assumed he would've tried to stop it. He was a Cold Warrior dedicated to the American project, he just wasn't a psychotic Nazi like the people who shortly came to run everything.
yeah trying to remember where I learned this from. I think Jakarta Method? But in any case pretty sure it's well-documented
Yep Jakarta Method
They didn’t successfully coup Sukarno until a couple years after JFK died though. Are you thinking of Patrice Lumumba?
Definitely. I've been sleeping very poorly so my memory isn't the best.
I don't doubt the makeup of the factions involved in the happenings here, but the timing is a bit off. There was definitely CIA action against Sukarno in the last few years of the Eisenhower administration, but he'd largely defeated the rebels in '58, and the biggest assassination attempt against him occurred in March 1960. Sukarno lasted until well into the Johnson administration.
Thanks! I think we were thinking of Lumumba in Congo and mixed up the timeline a bit.
:lumumba-point:
if i've learned one thing from blowback, it's that the cia and military have always been run by literal demons, allen dulles might have been the most demonic of them all.
Pretty much by definition, when you're the President. But by shaking up the former Eisenhower administration, he pulled the rug out from under the old Cold War guard on a scale we wouldn't see again until the Trump Admin.
Functionally, he was killed for the crime of undermining Cold War leadership in the midst of hostilities.
yeah like, why would the CIA, who undoubtedly surveilled the president constantly somehow think he was a Russian spy? you're ascribing to them a level of competence high enough to carry out an assassination plot, but low enough to reach such an idiotic conclusion.