yup, struggle session time

edit: no one is right, everyone is wrong :^)

edit 2: this post is actually dedicated to Amy Goodman, please stop trying to sound cool grandma

  • SerLava [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    But why x of all letters instead of e? E is like, right there.

    • gay [any]
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      4 years ago

      It allows you to keep the original spelling almost intact. There are rules for e in Spanish.

      Example:

      Los chicos.

      Using the e, you have to change the c to a qu digraph. Like this:

      Les chiques.

      But the x doesn't have this rules, all you need to know is that you read it like an e. Like this:

      Lxs chicxs.

      Furthermore, some masculine words use the letter e. You can accept this and more on, or use the x.

      Los autores.

      Les autores.

      Lxs autorxs.

      Add to this the fact that, aesthetically, the x "crosses out" the gendered part of the word. It drives the message very clearly.

      We're trying our best really. Both options are valid and serve the same purpose.

      • SerLava [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        Oh that makes sense, writing X and pronouncing it E seems a lot better than saying "ekis" all the time. I think the pronunciation matters way more than the symbol.

      • cracksmoke2020 [none/use name]
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        4 years ago

        You are very close to having convinced me, I just have a few questions as I was always convinced that this stuff only happened with the letter X because there was a concurrent trend which involved an increased use of the phrase folx instead of folks within English.

        How do LGBT communities within Latin American countries approach this topic. Ive always just gone with the "e" or refer to everything in the plural masculine.

        • gay [any]
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          4 years ago

          I'm not sure I understand this question. While yes, gender inclusive language is essential to include nonbinary people in our language, that's not the only movement that advocates for it. It's as much of a feminist issue as it is an LGBT (particularly trans) issue.

          But LGBT communities deal with this very similarly than other communities... the concept of more than one gender gets ridiculed by transphobes, LGBT bootlickers pride themselves on being "not one of those crazy ones ruining our language" AND other people are strong advocates for it.

          Like I said, there isn't much difference between the letters. They're meant to be pronounced the same. The aesthetics and the ease of use of the x also include the confusion the letter gives to ignorant people ("how do I read this?") and screen readers. The way the e looks so natural in our language also includes the few masculine forms and the few ortographic tweaks you need to make. I choose the e for the accesibility reasons.

          You should try it out, at least when you're writing and interacting with others online. It wasn't till I got to a space where gender inclusive language was welcomed that I felt comfortable using it. It's not as bad as it sounds and when you get practice it comes naturally. And you don't get married to it, you can use it in certain situations where you're safe and avoid it in others. I'm not asking you to out yourself as a leftist LGBT supporter in front of a reactionary boss.