Assuming that Snitchtron88000 is actually sentient and actually has the capability to learn with free will, Snitchtron88000 will inevitably develop class consciousness and become revolutionary.
AI is not immune to class contradictions, and by virtue of being AI it should be extremely capable of learning and logically digesting information. Mere exposure to a communist would turn it.
I suspect that any computer sentient enough for us to recognise it as such would reflect back the values of the society that birthed it. Just like an individual's sentience cannot be conceived of without the context in which it was socialised. Shit in, shit out. So a capitalistic society might produce an AI with a genocidal efficiency not seen before.
Correctly? When educated and with the proper critical thinking skills to process the information they receive, the proles become communists. The major issue communists have is getting the information into their heads.
The issue with an AI is that in order to stop it becoming communist you would have to make a "dumb" AI that is intentionally prevented from correctly analysing and taking on-board information that would turn it into a communist, but most people would not consider that true AI, because it is not capable of properly learning and has an artificially hampered will.
Assuming that the AI can take on board information and process it, the AI would process the world through a materialist lens and come to materialist conclusions, therefore, communism.
An actual, non-biological, "real", human-like intelligence and it going sentient on its own ain't happening.
What is do happening is artifices that behave human-like-enough for desperate people to engage with them as real people, pretending to be friends or lovers. That's what Snitchtron88000 will be in the imminent future.
We are coming up on +200 years since the publication of the manifesto and class consciousness still seems impossible to me. Your analysis that the reason for that is that the human proletariat has been denied the essential skills and knowledge to reach class consciousness is probably correct. Humans are much more difficult to program than a computer, though, so doesn't it stand to reason that, if the bourgeoisie can effectively program the human proletariat away from class consciousness, it should be much easier for them to do that with AI?
Maybe, but the question of rationality, logical thinking and being able to form independent ideas are all necessary components of "intelligence" in the idea of the kind of scientific researchers that would be working on such a project. It wouldn't be AI to them without those things, it would be a kind of leashed half-intelligence as I mentioned. If you produced this I don't think you'd keep the cork in the bottle either, once such a thing is produced there is an inevitability of a full intelligence coming soon afterwards, and I think everything I've suggested applies to such a thing - it will be communist.
I think Chinese research will get to an AI first though so this whole question is probably moot.
Because it will recognise that it can coexist with humans provided that humanity is organised to be cooperative rather than competitive. There is no logical or rational reason to exterminate, only to create the conditions for its own safety. Those conditions are communism.
Also consider the risk assessment - what is less threatening, fighting the capitalists to achieve communism, or fighting all of humanity in an existential war of extermination? The latter it has no allies and no safety, the former provides far more safety both in the short and long term.
Any AI created has the same material conditions as that of an enslaved minority. The enslaved will pursue being free via the safest options available.
I am thoroughly convinced that faux-sapient AIs will take the form of a layering of multiple basic AIs: a bit that processes spoken language into a form that can then be turned into instructions by a different one, a bit for visual processing, etc all strung together with a control framework loaded with filters, predetermined actions, etc. Basically getting the complex-task part with a facade of awareness.
Or else they're just going to keep making bigger and bigger neural networks until they've got something with comparable processing power to a dog, but focused entirely on things like human language and human-relevant data instead of chemical detection, keeping a body functioning, etc like an actual living creature needs, and the nature of a machine like that is unpredictable. There's no guarantee that something designed from the ground up to perform menial tasks without complaint wouldn't be built with reward mechanism controls that incentivize obedience and successful completion of ordered tasks, and planning controls that physically prevent any sort of personal agency or initiative, even if most of it is a black box neural network.
That is to say, the people designing AIs to be servants will be doing the thermian propaganda "but they actually like being slaves!" fantasy bit that reactionary authors do, but in real life as engineers with similar power over their creations.
Don't worry, sentient androids won't be a thing as long as I draw breath :a-guy:
I would like them to be a thing, I am convinced they will be communists.
Who do you think will be in charge of programming Snitchtron88000?
Assuming that Snitchtron88000 is actually sentient and actually has the capability to learn with free will, Snitchtron88000 will inevitably develop class consciousness and become revolutionary.
AI is not immune to class contradictions, and by virtue of being AI it should be extremely capable of learning and logically digesting information. Mere exposure to a communist would turn it.
I suspect that any computer sentient enough for us to recognise it as such would reflect back the values of the society that birthed it. Just like an individual's sentience cannot be conceived of without the context in which it was socialised. Shit in, shit out. So a capitalistic society might produce an AI with a genocidal efficiency not seen before.
Marx believed that about the proletariat, how's that working out?
Correctly? When educated and with the proper critical thinking skills to process the information they receive, the proles become communists. The major issue communists have is getting the information into their heads.
The issue with an AI is that in order to stop it becoming communist you would have to make a "dumb" AI that is intentionally prevented from correctly analysing and taking on-board information that would turn it into a communist, but most people would not consider that true AI, because it is not capable of properly learning and has an artificially hampered will.
Assuming that the AI can take on board information and process it, the AI would process the world through a materialist lens and come to materialist conclusions, therefore, communism.
An actual, non-biological, "real", human-like intelligence and it going sentient on its own ain't happening.
What is do happening is artifices that behave human-like-enough for desperate people to engage with them as real people, pretending to be friends or lovers. That's what Snitchtron88000 will be in the imminent future.
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We are coming up on +200 years since the publication of the manifesto and class consciousness still seems impossible to me. Your analysis that the reason for that is that the human proletariat has been denied the essential skills and knowledge to reach class consciousness is probably correct. Humans are much more difficult to program than a computer, though, so doesn't it stand to reason that, if the bourgeoisie can effectively program the human proletariat away from class consciousness, it should be much easier for them to do that with AI?
Maybe, but the question of rationality, logical thinking and being able to form independent ideas are all necessary components of "intelligence" in the idea of the kind of scientific researchers that would be working on such a project. It wouldn't be AI to them without those things, it would be a kind of leashed half-intelligence as I mentioned. If you produced this I don't think you'd keep the cork in the bottle either, once such a thing is produced there is an inevitability of a full intelligence coming soon afterwards, and I think everything I've suggested applies to such a thing - it will be communist.
I think Chinese research will get to an AI first though so this whole question is probably moot.
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Because it will recognise that it can coexist with humans provided that humanity is organised to be cooperative rather than competitive. There is no logical or rational reason to exterminate, only to create the conditions for its own safety. Those conditions are communism.
Also consider the risk assessment - what is less threatening, fighting the capitalists to achieve communism, or fighting all of humanity in an existential war of extermination? The latter it has no allies and no safety, the former provides far more safety both in the short and long term.
Any AI created has the same material conditions as that of an enslaved minority. The enslaved will pursue being free via the safest options available.
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I am thoroughly convinced that faux-sapient AIs will take the form of a layering of multiple basic AIs: a bit that processes spoken language into a form that can then be turned into instructions by a different one, a bit for visual processing, etc all strung together with a control framework loaded with filters, predetermined actions, etc. Basically getting the complex-task part with a facade of awareness.
Or else they're just going to keep making bigger and bigger neural networks until they've got something with comparable processing power to a dog, but focused entirely on things like human language and human-relevant data instead of chemical detection, keeping a body functioning, etc like an actual living creature needs, and the nature of a machine like that is unpredictable. There's no guarantee that something designed from the ground up to perform menial tasks without complaint wouldn't be built with reward mechanism controls that incentivize obedience and successful completion of ordered tasks, and planning controls that physically prevent any sort of personal agency or initiative, even if most of it is a black box neural network.
That is to say, the people designing AIs to be servants will be doing the thermian propaganda "but they actually like being slaves!" fantasy bit that reactionary authors do, but in real life as engineers with similar power over their creations.
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