:maybe-later-honey: uhm sorry sweatie but after "liberating" auschwtitz the soviet union then oppressed the jews even harder than the nazis because stalin hated jews more than hitler did it's just basic facts
I had an old lady at a shelter I used to work at once insist to me that the Soviet Union just rebuilt the concentration camps further east and continued the Holocaust, because Stalin wanted the credit for genociding the Jews.
I thought she was joking at first, but then she got really mad at me for laughing and I decided it probably wasn't worth arguing politics with a homeless boomer at 3am at work.
Wait shit this is actually a common thing anti-communists believe? America must be destroyed.
I seriously wonder where the fuck did people get these particular brainworms from. Who taught them that. Or do these thoughts just naturally clump together and develop from the chaotic maelstrom of "commies bad" that goes on in their heads like planets during the formation of a new star system.
I mean, I was taught in school that WW2 started when Hitler and Stalin met up and agreed to invade Poland together because they were both equally evil. So I can see how you could get there from that.
A ex roommate of mine actually uses this argument. He says his friends grandparents wanted to emigrate to America but the evil Soviets put them in gulags instead. No evidence for these claims of course.
Don’t forget the “first they came” poem explicitly included communists because they were one of the “undesireables” who were exterminated by the Nazis. But it got changed to “socialists” because the U.S. didn’t want them to garner any sympathy. The US version is more well known but I think some European museums include the original
In some niche circles, they’re trying to push the narrative that Ukrainians liberated Auschwitz. It’s true that they were heavily involved, but they want to downplay the fact that the Ukrainians were fighting as the Red Army of the USSR and not just “Ukraine”.
But that doesn’t even matter. I didn’t even know they liberated any camps until I started college and became more skeptical of liberalism. Before then I thought that the US simply liberated every concentration camp while the Russians were sending human wave attacks to the Germans. I don’t think this was explicitly taught to me, but the way so much was omitted about the USSR + the previous propaganda, I might’ve just naturally came to this conclusion. So imagine what the average education is like in today’s time
Yeah, I don't really have a perspective on average history class propaganda because I had a good history teacher. I learned about the black wall street massacre in my american history class, for example. It's a bit of a culture shock to see how textbooks in places like Texas are.
I didn’t even know they liberated any camps until I started college
Yeah they always lie by omission about this. It's pretty easy to realize it though, since it's like "oh these death camps are horrible, especially ones like Auschwitz. Anyways, here's a picture of the US liberating this other one."
How to shut down annoying libs whining about "tankies". Remind them who liberated Auschwitz and accuse them of supporting the Holocaust.
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:maybe-later-honey: uhm sorry sweatie but after "liberating" auschwtitz the soviet union then oppressed the jews even harder than the nazis because stalin hated jews more than hitler did it's just basic facts
I had an old lady at a shelter I used to work at once insist to me that the Soviet Union just rebuilt the concentration camps further east and continued the Holocaust, because Stalin wanted the credit for genociding the Jews.
I thought she was joking at first, but then she got really mad at me for laughing and I decided it probably wasn't worth arguing politics with a homeless boomer at 3am at work.
Wait shit this is actually a common thing anti-communists believe? America must be destroyed.
I seriously wonder where the fuck did people get these particular brainworms from. Who taught them that. Or do these thoughts just naturally clump together and develop from the chaotic maelstrom of "commies bad" that goes on in their heads like planets during the formation of a new star system.
I mean, I was taught in school that WW2 started when Hitler and Stalin met up and agreed to invade Poland together because they were both equally evil. So I can see how you could get there from that.
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Yeah, this is the response I get, too. For the average liberal, anticommunism isn't a reasoned position, it's religious dogma.
nonfalsifiable orthodoxy :parenti:
A ex roommate of mine actually uses this argument. He says his friends grandparents wanted to emigrate to America but the evil Soviets put them in gulags instead. No evidence for these claims of course.
I’ve literally had people say this to me. I do think the only solution is to just double down and call them a Holocaust denier and an antisemite
That's good, I'm stealing that one.
Don’t forget the “first they came” poem explicitly included communists because they were one of the “undesireables” who were exterminated by the Nazis. But it got changed to “socialists” because the U.S. didn’t want them to garner any sympathy. The US version is more well known but I think some European museums include the original
I thought it had both, first communists and then socialists.
The creator of it used "socialists" on like a single occasion where he said the poem, so of course that's the version of it used in the west.
Ahh that makes so much sense
In some niche circles, they’re trying to push the narrative that Ukrainians liberated Auschwitz. It’s true that they were heavily involved, but they want to downplay the fact that the Ukrainians were fighting as the Red Army of the USSR and not just “Ukraine”.
But that doesn’t even matter. I didn’t even know they liberated any camps until I started college and became more skeptical of liberalism. Before then I thought that the US simply liberated every concentration camp while the Russians were sending human wave attacks to the Germans. I don’t think this was explicitly taught to me, but the way so much was omitted about the USSR + the previous propaganda, I might’ve just naturally came to this conclusion. So imagine what the average education is like in today’s time
Yeah, I don't really have a perspective on average history class propaganda because I had a good history teacher. I learned about the black wall street massacre in my american history class, for example. It's a bit of a culture shock to see how textbooks in places like Texas are.
Yeah they always lie by omission about this. It's pretty easy to realize it though, since it's like "oh these death camps are horrible, especially ones like Auschwitz. Anyways, here's a picture of the US liberating this other one."
yeah, i'm a tankie. i support them rolling tanks in to liberate Auschwitz. do you not, liberals???