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No hope? Have you seen the French recently? That's the most bloomer shit in a while.
There is absolutely hope and it is absolutely possible, our opponent is just so utterly massive that it seems overwhelming.
That does not mean you should not try. All we can do is put in the work, every day, and move forwards. If we don't achieve it others will build on our work, they too will do the work every day and move it slightly further forwards. Eventually it will get there.
Nah mate, you can do immense good by organizing where you live. What you probably wont be able to do is beat imperialism from the inside, but a lot of desperate people in your country need you
there's really not hope of organizing a left movement in the imperial core
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We of the older generation may not live to see the decisive battles of this coming revolution. But I can, I believe, express the confident hope that the youth which is working so splendidly in the socialist movement of Switzerland, and of the whole world, will be fortunate enough not only to fight, but also to win, in the coming proletarian revolution.
Amusingly enough, earlier in the speech he mocked this dude:
“There is not yet a revolutionary people in Russia,” wrote Mr. Pyotr Struve, then leader of the Russian liberals and publisher abroad of an illegal, uncensored organ, two days before “Bloody Sunday”.
Yeah - even the "confident hope" here was because this was an anniversary speech, and not a letter to a comrade.
China has 1.4 billion people. They don't need you. If you move to China, it should primarily be due to a different reason than "building socialism."
Organize where you are. We need to build the pre-pre-conditions of revolution.
Unionize your workplace, do volunteer work, pass out food. Stuff like that. Not everything has to be explicitly about organizing revolution, you can also try to keep working and impoverished people alive and on our side. So maybe someday when conditions are better for left mobilizing, we'll have a base already
The largest left movement the US ever saw was near the height of its imperial ambition in the 60s and early 70s. Just because it's challenging and Americans are stubborn and lumpen as rocks doesn't mean we shouldn't fight.
I can't speak for you but there's WAY more bullshit happening nationally than is happening at any local level.
If you're feeling overwhelmed and want to feel productive focus small. Find someone within 1 mile of you that needs something, anything, and get it for them. You'll feel better.
No hope? It's organizing right now you're missing it. :meow-hug:
The lack of revolutionary potential among largely :lmayo: settlers does not make organizing pointless, it means you need to set your goals differently and adopt organizing approaches that take that fact into account.
You also want to pay attention to shifting conditions, as the size of potential recruits is increasing, we're just not reaching them as well as we could. Poor coalition-building, anemic political education efforts, attempts to be involved with organized labor without the humility of trying to learn about it are all characteristic of the typical core lefty org - on top of thinking that debates are a really great way to spend an org's time. All of those things can be reversed through education and organization.
Even if outright revolution is near impossible in the core, fighting imperialism from within through agitation can give space for other countries to build a revolution
We live in the imperial core. Its power seems inescapable. So did the divine right of kings. Any human power can be resisted and changed by human beings.
When it all goes down (and it will), this weird country is going to need a structure in place to build something positive and meaningful, instead of just collapsing into warring states. That’s where we come in.
Do what your conscience demands. I fought the good fight for close to a decade and got my ass handed to me by bosses and the state for my trouble. Now I mostly just donate money to good causes when I can and (very, very) occasionally show up for pickets or canvasses.
I can't belp but feel pretty bitter about all the people here saying fight on anyway tbh. I get that you all are morally and historically correct, but the tone still smacks of people who have never been fired, arrested or blacklisted for organizing.
Nah, burnout is a real thing that should be discussed. If you want people to do something hard you be honest with them that it's not all rainbows and sunshine.
In a truly mass movement we're going to have people who are willing to give all different levels of engagement. It's useful to find things people can do that aren't as demanding as direct action.
Hey I don't think this a very productive way to talk, seems very reddit-brained to answer that to someone who's done actual work and just got burned-out. It's very common.
Interacting with people like they are actual people is probably a better approach.
