I feel like the only things that should have the death penalty are things like abuse of power, corrupting a jury through bribery, etc. The shit that gets you a slap on the wrist in the current system.
Not to say someone who abused children shouldn't be sent for reeducation, possibly for life in the gulag, but I can't trust the death penalty when used against people who predominantly aren't powerful.
I'm pretty strongly a no death penatly absolutist (unless its like, mid revolution and someone is a danger to it, things like that, practical reasons) but if you're going to do it yeah this is the way to do it.
You aren’t an absolutist if you have exceptions. I feel strongly that the capitalist state should have no right to kill, but if it was to be overthrown by communists then bust out the guillotine. States by virtue of being states have the monopoly on violence, we need to weaken the capitalist monopoly on violence but not so much that we lose it ourselves, we need to take control of that monopoly and if our ideology is purely anti-violence we lose a very valuable tool. So pacifism is not praxis imo. We need to assert that the left would be much better in control of the monopoly than the right is, not that we are going to abolish the monopoly entirely.
Well, my "exceptions" are based on practicality, not justice. I'm against retributive justice on principle. Generally speaking, once the revolution is secured I see no reason for the state to kill anyone.
This. Retributive justice is pure sadistic bloodthirst. It serves no legitimate purpose what so ever and there is no justification. Even setting aside principle, from a pragmatic stance it is counterproductive and makes things worse.
Was referring to his position as powerful, not the outcome of "suicide".
Basically he was institutionally powerful in the way most abusers aren't (tho often structurally, i.e. people in positions of power, but in an absolute sense they aren't).
I feel like the only things that should have the death penalty are things like abuse of power, corrupting a jury through bribery, etc. The shit that gets you a slap on the wrist in the current system.
Not to say someone who abused children shouldn't be sent for reeducation, possibly for life in the gulag, but I can't trust the death penalty when used against people who predominantly aren't powerful.
:epstein: being a notable exception
Agreed, high level “political” crimes where there’s no chance you got the wrong guy because we all know George W Bush started the Iraq war
I'm pretty strongly a no death penatly absolutist (unless its like, mid revolution and someone is a danger to it, things like that, practical reasons) but if you're going to do it yeah this is the way to do it.
You aren’t an absolutist if you have exceptions. I feel strongly that the capitalist state should have no right to kill, but if it was to be overthrown by communists then bust out the guillotine. States by virtue of being states have the monopoly on violence, we need to weaken the capitalist monopoly on violence but not so much that we lose it ourselves, we need to take control of that monopoly and if our ideology is purely anti-violence we lose a very valuable tool. So pacifism is not praxis imo. We need to assert that the left would be much better in control of the monopoly than the right is, not that we are going to abolish the monopoly entirely.
Well, my "exceptions" are based on practicality, not justice. I'm against retributive justice on principle. Generally speaking, once the revolution is secured I see no reason for the state to kill anyone.
This. Retributive justice is pure sadistic bloodthirst. It serves no legitimate purpose what so ever and there is no justification. Even setting aside principle, from a pragmatic stance it is counterproductive and makes things worse.
That's the gimmick. He was killed to silence him to protect the people who abused children
tbf, :epstein: was very powerful
That's why I included as notable exception, yeah.
However most abusers don't have much in the way of institutional power.
fair, i think i misunderstood
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Epstein's death was far more useful as a cover up than a punishment.
Was referring to his position as powerful, not the outcome of "suicide".
Basically he was institutionally powerful in the way most abusers aren't (tho often structurally, i.e. people in positions of power, but in an absolute sense they aren't).