Whenever I see that I've received a reply here I get a little dopamine hit and I think "oh man, time to see what my fellow chapos think of what I've said!". This is even true when I've been arguing for veganism. Sure, there may be some disagreement, but it probably won't be super, dishearteningly nasty.
By contrast, every single time I see that orange envelope on reddit I tend to feel a little pang of anxiety and my first thought is always "oh fuck, what did I comment on again? Am I about to get some literal hate speech thrown my way?"
So yeah, thanks friends! Someday I may even ditch reddit for good because of you, and my life would be better for it.
honestly, i view beekeeping as one of the best things people can do to try and stave off the inevitable collapse of our entire ecosystem, so... imma just never agree to getting rid of honey. sorry not sorry
On the one hand, I see that, on the other, well, honeybees are an invasive species in many places. If you want to raise pollinators, I'm super down, but honeybees aren't always it.
are they an invasive species? in north america, yes. does the entire system rely on bees existing? also yes. the issue as i see it is that native species are fucked regardless of nonnative honey bees out competing them, so having some kind of pollination thats easy to convince people to participate in is the best way to go to avoid system collapse. would i say no to someone wanting to go above and beyond that? no.
And here we're getting into the absolute weeds of what is the best thing to do? And, well, I'm not a scientist, I don't know. Once I have a place of my own where I'm going to be for the long term I'm going to do my research and see what pollinators are correct and how I can help them exist and do their best for the surrounding ecosystem. But until then, all I can do is be a little skeptical about honeybees and that's what I'm going to do, because honeybees aren't always the answer.
But yeah, I don't know, native species are pretty fucked, and honestly, so is everything else. I learned today that yeasts are evolving to live at higher temperatures and that means that soon they're going to be able to survive at human body temperatures. And that means that soon humans will be dying because they became a yeast colony. What a world, we're all fucked.
yep pretty much. agreed on all counts. if someone told me the sky was literally falling because, fuck i dont know, green house gasses are now causing boil off of the upper atmosphere or something... i would not even be surprised, cause hell world gonna hell world.
What are non invasive pollinators you can raise en masse? Monarch butterflies? Plus, and I know, I know, but no honey out of the deal.
Ah shit, you want me to do actual research!?! Also, maybe more importantly, that will depend on where you are.
And sure, I get it, the lack of honey is less than ideal, but that's what sugar is for, you know?
Plus you know that's on top of all the bad karma from its historical connection to indentured slavery in the Caribbean and Pacific.
Wait, are you being serious? Because if so I've got bad news for you friendo...
https://www.thoughtco.com/effect-of-sugar-on-the-environment-1204100
Oh all right, fair enough, I don't know everything. What's a good sweetener?
ive heard a few good things about this weird goop that comes out of insect butts. i think theyre calling it hunni? idk
Oh, so now the fact that honeybees are an invasive species doesn't matter? I thought you cared about doing the right thing.
i think you missed the part where i said them being invasive was secondary to the other issues at hand, like yknow, the inability for anything to be pollinated af all? also i was mostly just having a faff about the "whats a good sweetener" thing because theres no good answer, but okay my bad