It's not about ”not liking” dairy. It's about it being an exploitative industry, and eating dairy basically means you're contributing to the meat industry too. There's no retirement home for cows that stop producing milk.
Also, it should go without saying, but adult humans don't need milk, especially from another species.
As an Indian who was fasting today, milk was the primary source of nutrition. Its not about need but the availability and nutrition values, i certainly stay clear of camel or goat stuff. You don't need high fructose corn syrup either
Plus I like cows, grew up with em, theyre better than dogs
He wakes up, wakes the cows up, lines them up, does a lil prayer, washes them up, milks em, feeds em with half green half dry grass, waters half the milk down cuz corrupt, hands it to me and takes my money
These places dont have the number of cows "other countries" do, even the scale ones arent as bad as ive seen on 'how its made' or documentaries
Its a yearly thing, baby is born, baby stays for 5 or so months, then when they are good on grass, they are either sent off to another cow keeper, farmer if ox or kept-is it that hard to comprehend cows living peacefully in a country that considers them sacred?
Why must I explain cow maintenence in India when all i wanted to know was why vegans dont consume dairy?
Why must I explain cow maintenence in India when all i wanted to know was why vegans dont consume dairy?
If you'll humor me, I'm walking you through a few of the reasons.
Its a yearly thing, baby is born, baby stays for 5 or so months, then when they are good on grass, they are either sent off to another cow keeper, farmer if ox or kept
As you describe, typically, the calves are separated from their mother, whose excess milk is then harvested and consumed by humans like you. The male calves are culled, eaten, or (rarely) used for breeding. This alone is fundamentally exploitative and vegans like me believe supporting it is morally reprehensible. But if that isn't sufficiently questionable for your scruples, in order to produce the separated calf (and stimulate milk production), the dairy cows are regularly forcibly inseminated. When they are no longer productive, they are culled and their carcasses are deconstructed and sold for as much profit as possible.
Obviously cows cannot consent to any of this.
s it that hard to comprehend cows living peacefully in a country that considers them sacred
If that country allows the proliferation of an industry that profits from the extraction of products oftheir bodies, yes.
Your whole second point about culling and forced insemination falls off in Outside the cultures that enjoy its consumption.
The last point stands for every food consumed.
Look it up instead of arguing with me? A person online who was only interested in vegan food choices and not a discussion about dairy practices in the west?
In addition, cows have to be tricked into letting their milk down to be collected by humans. Without their calf present they'll hold their milk and nothing comes out.
The general consensus of the Hexbear vegan community is that animal products come from exploitation that is wholly unethical. The wider site has mixed feelings on this, and after many a struggle session the peace was made by the mods having people mark pictures of meat NSFW and telling everyone to stop fighting about veganism in general.
Dairy cows are forcibly impregnated (repeatedly) because unlike what you've been taught, cows do not just produce milk. But with the milk also comes a baby cow of course, so they take the baby cow and they torture it to death (that's what veal is) or they raise it as a beef cow or as another dairy cow to continue the cycle. Now that the baby is out of the way, they steal the milk and sell it to you and repeat the process. They do this for a few years until their brutalized victim is literally too exhausted and unhealthy to produce milk anymore, at which point they murder it and sell its meat to you too (cows can live for decades, this happens after only a few years).
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If you are a part of it. As someone who was born and comes from a long line of vegetarians.
Whats up with not liking dairy? Is it the digestion?
Edit: for anyone else stumbling into this, its cuz they eat the milk source in most countries and cultures
It's not about ”not liking” dairy. It's about it being an exploitative industry, and eating dairy basically means you're contributing to the meat industry too. There's no retirement home for cows that stop producing milk.
Also, it should go without saying, but adult humans don't need milk, especially from another species.
So if you were in a country where cows were treated better, say India, youd continue with milk?
No.
As an Indian who was fasting today, milk was the primary source of nutrition. Its not about need but the availability and nutrition values, i certainly stay clear of camel or goat stuff. You don't need high fructose corn syrup either
Plus I like cows, grew up with em, theyre better than dogs
I don't, but good thing I'm not American so I don't ingest that stuff.
Do you know how dairy workers use the cows to produce milk?
India? Yes. Is why we have milkmen with gaushalas who deliver every morning. (English were savages and have no real word for it)
Okay keep going. What has to happen before the milkperson delivers the milk?
He wakes up, wakes the cows up, lines them up, does a lil prayer, washes them up, milks em, feeds em with half green half dry grass, waters half the milk down cuz corrupt, hands it to me and takes my money
These places dont have the number of cows "other countries" do, even the scale ones arent as bad as ive seen on 'how its made' or documentaries
Okay keep going. What has to happen before cows produce milk that can be extracted?
Its a yearly thing, baby is born, baby stays for 5 or so months, then when they are good on grass, they are either sent off to another cow keeper, farmer if ox or kept-is it that hard to comprehend cows living peacefully in a country that considers them sacred?
Why must I explain cow maintenence in India when all i wanted to know was why vegans dont consume dairy?
If you'll humor me, I'm walking you through a few of the reasons.
As you describe, typically, the calves are separated from their mother, whose excess milk is then harvested and consumed by humans like you. The male calves are culled, eaten, or (rarely) used for breeding. This alone is fundamentally exploitative and vegans like me believe supporting it is morally reprehensible. But if that isn't sufficiently questionable for your scruples, in order to produce the separated calf (and stimulate milk production), the dairy cows are regularly forcibly inseminated. When they are no longer productive, they are culled and their carcasses are deconstructed and sold for as much profit as possible. Obviously cows cannot consent to any of this.
If that country allows the proliferation of an industry that profits from the extraction of products oftheir bodies, yes.
Your whole second point about culling and forced insemination falls off in Outside the cultures that enjoy its consumption.
The last point stands for every food consumed.
Look it up instead of arguing with me? A person online who was only interested in vegan food choices and not a discussion about dairy practices in the west?
In addition, cows have to be tricked into letting their milk down to be collected by humans. Without their calf present they'll hold their milk and nothing comes out.
In short, it's theft.
jfc I did not know that
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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar/30/dairy-scary-public-farming-calves-pens-alternatives
It's much worse than that, dairy itself is a problem.
The general consensus of the Hexbear vegan community is that animal products come from exploitation that is wholly unethical. The wider site has mixed feelings on this, and after many a struggle session the peace was made by the mods having people mark pictures of meat NSFW and telling everyone to stop fighting about veganism in general.
Dairy cows are forcibly impregnated (repeatedly) because unlike what you've been taught, cows do not just produce milk. But with the milk also comes a baby cow of course, so they take the baby cow and they torture it to death (that's what veal is) or they raise it as a beef cow or as another dairy cow to continue the cycle. Now that the baby is out of the way, they steal the milk and sell it to you and repeat the process. They do this for a few years until their brutalized victim is literally too exhausted and unhealthy to produce milk anymore, at which point they murder it and sell its meat to you too (cows can live for decades, this happens after only a few years).