The fall of USSR and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race
Be greatful for that -- the world is being spared a hundred-foot-tall swastika-waving doge.
If the Russians were even half as petty and image obsessed as the Ukrainians are, they'd fire a missile into that trident.
Oh they'd spin it as a victory if that happened.
"Russian missile intercepted by statue's shield and trident. Reports on the ground say that the missile was heading towards an orphange full of children, nurses, and puppies."
not pictured: millions of Ukrainian red army soldiers rolling in their graves
You probably could power an entire nation by connect them to a generator. That's probably how hard they're spinning right now.
I'm completely numb to the symbolism, I thought we were making fun of how it's off center
the well-built hammer and sickle being replaced by the shitty off-center trident is pretty ironic
They took off a hammer and sickle from the shield and replaced it with whatever that is
Immense level brain injury, it will heal when that government is wiped off the map and Kiev taken back.
Kinda embarrassing to admit, but idk what that trident symbol means, I know it’s Ukrainian, but that’s about it, what are the origins of the symbol? Edit: I’m still confused lol
It (supposedly) was the symbol of the Rurikovich dynasty that ruled Kievan Rus and Novgorod (and other feudal states in western Russia that I cannot recall) during the Middle Ages. Now it's mostly used by Ukranian nationalists, banderites and other fascists. IIRC it was also used by anti-soviet reactionaries and fascists in Ukraine during the 20th century
Its not even a „Ukrainian“ symbol. Since for some reason they ignore that the Kievan Rus were not Ukrainians.
By the Rurikovich crest reason it's more of an all Russian symbol since Russia as an unified state was created by Ivan III, Vasili III and Ivan IV, three consecutive rulers from the that dynasty.
i'm a partisan of the view these symbols are embellished Tamga adopted by the rurikids, though i'm sure modern nationalists would dispute their national symbol being from khazar cultural practice
Interesting! I had not heard that theory before. It's possible that they adopted such a practice, they were "vikings" after all
It is from old coinage of Volodymyr the Great and got adopted in 1917 after a historian suggested it (about 1000 years later).
A lot about Ukrainian identity and symbols is very post-hoc.
Volodymyr the Great
"To assert our independence from Russia, we shall adopt the symbol of Vladimir the Great, Prince of Novgorod."
It's what happens when fascists roll through town and decide they can improve art.
A mindset that produced mount rushmore. Defacing sacred monuments.
Back before CIV went WOKE! Bring back real men!11!1!
Bruh the right will never cease to disappoint.. Now imagine what all these right wing militants will do once asked to hand back their weapons to the Ukranian government after the war. They'll definitely just comply and be good citizens. For sure.
Well, you don't have to hand back weapons to the state if you become the state
It will be reverted when the Russians roll into Kiev, so before the year ends
I doubt that Russians will roll that far or have the ability to destroy all Ukro forces.
Even if they don’t, it is certain that Ukraine will get a new Russian-aligned government
Extremely unlikely. It will at best hold onto a never ending stalemate, and at worst devolve into a loosely federated terrorist state that will fight till the last man.
This will be Afghanistan all over again. There will be no victory here.
It's conventional warfare, not guerilla warfare, nor a suicide bombing campaign. The worst case scenario would resemble the Iran-Iraq war and the initial conditions resembled Northern Cyprus more than Afghanistan.
The Ukrainians don't really even have an equivalent to the Viet Cong. Insurgencies need the support of the local populace to eat and operate without being ratted out. Only Kherson is even close to divided enough for that to have a remote chance of occurring.
The terrain and culture of Ukraine aren't like Afghanistan. Afghans are more loyal to their tribes than Kabul. The underdeveloped subsistence farming economy of Afghanistan means any insurgent knows how to live off the land and survive living in deprivation for long and sustained periods. The terrain of Afghanistan allows insurgents to easily isolate whatever forces the government sends in an attempt to control the countryside. The Taliban won without any state really backing them. The overall population of Ukraine and Afghanistan might be similar but what matters most is the demographic in the age range for military service.
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Syria didn't turn into an Afghanistan. The Donbass republics fended for themselves for 8 years while the DRA only lasted 3 years alone. Even then the DRA still outlasted the Soviet Union so had material support continued they might've continued on as a rump state. It wasn't like the US puppet, Ghani's regime, which just collapsed immediately after the US pullout.
Ukrainians are more Northern Alliance than Taliban. Their ideology isn't anywhere near as unified as the Taliban's. The moderate liberals and extremist fascists would turn on each other if living conditions deteriorated sharply.
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There can be no defeat either. Pulling out would be political suicide for anyone in the Kremlin. Abandoning Russians in Russian territory would be different from abandoning the DRA. Nukes would fall before Crimea falls.
Anyway, you can't really predict the future by looking at the past. The similarities are only down to hindsight and brute force exhaustion of every possible historical parallel.
Russia managed in Chechenya, once they got their marbles together.
Chechnya is infinitely smaller then Ukraine or Afghanistan, with a fraction of the population, little to no industrial base, little international support, poor morale, poor infrastructure, no modern weaponry, and only one real major city.
Comparing Chechnya to Ukraine or Afghanistan seems laughable.
That’s like saying “The US could take on Grenada in days/weeks, so why did they struggle in Vietnam?”
Chechnya is infinitely smaller then Ukraine or Afghanistan, with a fraction of the population
Seeing as how the Ukraine population do everything they can to not stay in Ukraine in multiple methods and directions, soon.
The Soviets would have succeeded in Afghanistan if it weren’t for Gorbachev, besides western equipment is running out and more apathy is growing in American and NATO brass.
The Soviets would not have won if it hadn’t been for Gorbachev. That is an extremely historically disconnected take, and I recommend you study the conflict better.
Also it doesn’t matter if there is apathy, guns will be sent as long as they can, and a terrorist organization doesn’t need much to work off of.
But don’t worry “just one more year and it’ll be over” right?
My grandfather thought the same thing before he and his Mi-24 were shot down in Afghanistan.
Ok? The extremists are still getting help from the US in this situation
Also that is not why they lost. Newsflash, war is unpopular, and having convoy after convoy of caskets return home is very bad for morale. Soviet production was not up to the task. The war was unpopular to begin with and the population could care less about Afghanistan. The military was unprepared for a COIN conflict in the Middle East, and etc.
my friend even you are an armchair general , in which war did you partake recently . lol Historians and people try to understand the past events by facts and ripples in the present that doesn't mean you have to participate in Mongol Invasion or in Great Patriotic war. I will suggest you something instead of accusing everyone here as an "armchair general" have a field day with Azov/UAF or Donetsk militia , either way you can write a great blog here.
Where did I say that you have to participate in the conflict to discuss it?
I said that you should have good knowledge on a subject before you make claims about it. Something that you have not done, so I doubt you’re a “historian”. I am also not accusing everyone here of being an armchair general. I’m accusing you of being one because of your poor take on the conflict.
What connection do you have to the Afghan conflict other then 2 YouTube videos and reading the Wikipedia article?
Also I don’t really understand what you’re saying in your last point. I apologize if English isn’t your first language, but the last sentence makes little sense and I don’t get what you’re saying I should do. Are you saying I should write a blog about Azov or the Donetsk militias? Why would I want to do that?
disgusting revisionism
