Turns out if you define a third of your pale population as "Latinx" instead of white, very few white people remain.
Even the 2020 census had the sense (heh) to finally drop the "Hispanic race" and have it as a separate label, but the "researchers" felt like going out of their way to redefine it as a "race" again. Not sure why race is even treated as a scientific thing to begin with in their census, but such is the Amerikkkan way I guess.
Edit: don't even want to think about the causes of this "age gap"
The implication that this is something anyone should care about or even take notice of seems astoundingly racist
The one and only sane comment in this whole thread. If whites are a majority, so be it. If they aren't, so be it. Stop obsessing over titles (that (general you) claim are a social construct anyway) and get on with your own life. This is........not important.
Whites don’t exist
That’s what makes this all so insane
And people call this rag "leftist" lmao. This racist alarmism would be right at home on Storm Front.
America has been doing this dance for the past 200 years. Too many Germans, Irish, Italians, etc will make white America not white anymore was the old tune and I'm done waiting for Americans to realize that race is a social construct.
whiteness isn't real. it's a hegemonic construct that will always absorb enough new bodies to maintain it's dominant positions. many latinos/hispanics are already becoming white as part of this social construction.
In America, the terms Latino, Latinx, and Hispanic refer to basically anyone from any country in the Americas that is below the United States, geographically and 'culturally'. It's essentially a label Americans use to say, " oh you're from one of THOSE shithole countries".
The great great grandson of a Spanish conquistador who massacred thousands of indigenous people to claim his own plantation is considered the exact same as the granddaughter of an indigenous person on the receiving end. Both are called Hispanics, making the word an utterly meaningless label.
Yeah, I have a particular beef with those labels because, although I usually like my Latin American cousins, my "Hispanic" country speaks Portuguese and not Spanish. In the census there wasn't even an option for Latin American people who speak languages other than Spanish (Portuguese and French but also Guarani or Quechua or the various creoles).
It's extra insult to injury that they appropriate the gendered "Latino" instead of just using their own "Latin," but then feel the need to slap an X on it. I've never even seen non-Yankees using latinx instead of the age old latino/a/e/@ out there.
Doesn’t Hispanic mean Spanish speaking? In that case then a Portuguese speaking country wouldn’t be Hispanic
You forget to take into account background level racism in
Technically, yeah, but all official US census stuff writes the whole label as "Latino or Hispanic" and use both interchangeably. It's not uncommon to hear people referring to Brazilians or even Haitians as "Hispanic," because to the common Yankee, being Latin American and Hispanic are the same thing.
It even generates some fun arguments on Quora such as "are Spanish people white?"
That’s ridiculous. I normally select that I’m Hispanic because I can understand Spanish but I wonder if that question did mean am I latino. And, I’m not surprised that was on Quora. It generally has awful questions and answers
That'd be the correct way thinking in 1990 before they added "latino" as a synonym [PDF, page 3], but then they just randomly added that in without changing the question. Since Yankee ethnography is so crap and they usually don't even define their shit properly, as most social Yankee stuff (unrelated but they don't have a list of proscribed domestic terrorist groups, only foreign ones) you can never really know what strange conclusions their researchers might come to. It makes sense that they'd be terrible at this when the "Hispanic Question" is literally the only ethnicity question in the census, and you have shit like "race white, for example, German, Italian."
(unrelated but they don’t have a list of proscribed domestic terrorist groups, only foreign ones)
Yet; let the steady collapse of hegemony slide further and bet you'll start seeing more direct-action oriented enclaves getting flagged for terrorism. They did just clink up the Uhuru House for 'undeclared foreign agency'; and that's an adjacent bullshit charge.
I have seen many Hispanic people in South America writing Latinx on signs, posters, applications, news articles, etc. Its not extremely common but I have seen it plenty of times personally in many places across Equador, Argentina, Colombia, Costa Rica, and Mexico.
Its not a "Yankee" cultural imperialism.
Hilariously even Bad Empanada has a video of himself in Argentina where he says he'll walk out of his house, walk in a random direction, and then end the video when he comes across Latinx in a small city in which almost no one speaks English.... He made it less then 2 minutes before coming across a poster for a local community gathering that was advertised towards, Latinos, Latinas, and Latinx. Again, this was in the middle of a non-English speaking small Argentinian city.
My issue is not with gender neutral endings in romance languages (though I think they're rather underadopted right now), but that for some reason Yankees decided to go with the unpronounceable "X" ending rather than very old and established Latina/o or Latine or even Latin@. In my experience those are way more common than X endings, though I admit I haven't looked at hard data on that.
They could've just called them "Latins/Latin-Americans" but they chose to first a appropriate the grammar for "Latino" then think try to "fix" it in the classic Yankee fashion of not looking at already established norms.
It’s not meant to be spoken, it’s supposed to be a writing standard as opposed to a spoken one.
“E” is also pretty common and it seems to be used interchangeably with “X”. That’s probably more of a personal choice.
“X” is also commonly marketed as “Yankee solution finding”, when it was first proposed by a Puerto Rican Psychologist to challenge the gender binary of Spanish. It is not an American invention, it just gained popularity there first.
decided to go with the unpronounceable "X" ending rather than very old and established Latina/o or Latine or even Latin@.
Latina/o and latin@ aren't really that pronounceable either outside of saying the word twice in both forms, and yet they get used a fair bit too. -x is certainly my least favourite way of doing this as well, but acting like it's some yankee imposition seems a bit dumb
Just to make it clear, I have no issue with the "-x" ending in and of itself and "yankee imposition" implies that anybody in Latin America cares about what the Yankees have to say about Spanish (or in my case, Portuguese) in the first place. I just think that Unitedstadians created their own problem by calling us "Latino" instead of "Latin" or "Latin-American," (which are both already gender-neutral) and then have to fall back to their own customs by putting the "-x" in there.
It really is a minor beef, but it's annoying to see them appropriating words and trying (and failing) to speak in Spanish to appear more inclusive. Their language is already gender neutral, they could just call us Latins, Latines, Latinamericans or (IMO my favourite) Americans, but gringo gotta appropriate culture.
I've never even seen non-Yankees using latinx
I've seen it sometimes on the Spanish-speaking internet (and of course in other situations like todxs), although a bit less than latin@
Americans don't want to call them 'Latins' because that might imply some sort of relationship between them and the Romans, and that's not allowed because they're from shithole countries, and America is the rightful heir to the Roman throne or whatever.
Racial categories have always been jank in the US for Latin people. Forms have a separate question on whether or not you're Hispanic. But because of that, "Latin" is never included as an option for race so we have to fill in something stupid.
Look at questions 8 and 9 here. I'm the tan kind of Mexican American, so I have to answer question 8 with Yes, Chicano and question 9 with...??? Other? I'm a Hispanic Other. Makes sense.
So Spanish is not white but Italian is. And also Lebanese?? How the designers of these questions think they can get any meaningful data whatsoever from these questions is mind boggling.
White Spaniards fill out Yes and write "Spaniard" for question 8 then pick White and write "Spanish" for question 9. It's funny that they have write out the same thing twice.
Beats me why Lebanese and Egyptian people are considered white though
Posted this upthread as well, but middle eastern & north African people were legally enshrined as white in the US due to a 1909 ruling with the following logic:
- Jesus was white.
- Jesus was born/lived in the middle east.
- Ergo: middle easterners are white.
Wow I don't know what's dumber: calling Lebanese people Chinese-Mongolian because Lebanon is in Asia or calling Lebanese people white because Jesus is white (to white Americans)
Thanks for sharing!
In my work I've had to fill out that kind of forms a couple of times for Latinos and some have this options "Cuban, Hispanic, Mexican, Puerto Rican". It makes total sense.
Do you mean they have those options as a response to the race question? Or as a question separate from race? Cuz if you mean the latter, then those are the same options given in this census
Yeah no, the "whitemaking" of Hispanic/Latine Americans is already underway.
they're gonna expand the definition again like they did in the 60s for irish, italians, etc.
Fascists are dumb but not that dumb. They know the "white" population is declining which is why they are redefining their racial goals. Anything to not talk about capital.
I feel that they're already doing that by eliminating the choice of Hispanic or Latinx options as a race and letting them choose white.
“In a sense, we’re forming a new kind of mainstream society here, which is going to be very diverse,” City University of New York sociologist Richard Alba told the Hill. “But whites are going to be a big part of that.”
To say something like this is insane to me. "Whites" are going to be a big part of mainstream society? "The future is white and we will make sure of it, in the name of diversity."
Now the system can reinforce white supremacy through the co-option of peoples that would have been considered otherwise. This is diversity now sweaty.
Interesting I guess. It's a no-brainer that this would happen when whiteness is defined by its purity. Some say the definition will be expanded like it was for Italians and Jews, but that requires racists to stop discriminating based off visual appearance so I kind of doubt it. Anyway, rip bozo lmfao
They already do when it comes to gusanos, so maybe Latinos with mostly colonizer blood will be considered “white” soon. Theres already a separate category for white Latinos so maybe they’ll merge it with “white.”
I've had an exp*t acquaintance no joke use "white statistics" for themself when considering migrating to there. Since they look like Freya Allan they'll probably even get their "one of the good ones" pass.
if we ever manage to revive John Brown with Juche necromancy, we will have to kill the second honky
This was always going to happen because Anglo countries define whiteness by one-drop blood quantum rules. The population of white people will always shrink if you define white in such strict terms and everything else in such loose terms.
Having just a single non-white grandparent is often enough to disqualify a person from whiteness.
It also doesn't help that the boundaries of whiteness have shifted compared to 30 years ago. Muslims usually aren't considered white for instance no matter where they're from. I distinctly remember my Syrian neighbors were considered white when I was a kid, then 9/11 happened and suddenly they weren't.
Yeah, I remember that I once had to give my "race" on a visa application. They had the term Caucasian (that was 2018 Singapore), which I found to mean anyone looking European/Mediterranean. So northern Africa also counted.
Fun fact: middle eastern & north African people were legally enshrined as white in the US due to a 1909 ruling with the following logic:
- Jesus was white.
- Jesus was born/lived in the middle east.
- Ergo: middle easterners are white.
George Shishim won his case with the Federal Government. It started when Shishim, acting in his capacity as a policeman in Venice, California, Los Angeles County, arrested the son of a prominent lawyer for disturbing the peace. This incident started the legal fight for Shishim’s eligibility to citizenship. The arrested man claimed Shishim had no right to arrest him because Shishim was not and could not become an American citizen, because he was not of the “white” race. Having been born in Lebanon, part of Asia, Shishim was considered of Chinese-Mongolian ancestry.
Old timey racism really was something else, what the fuck
During the court hearings, Shishim stated:
“If I am a Mongolian, then so was Jesus, because we came from the same land.”. Thus, California set a precedent upon which other states based their decision on this matter, granting U.S. citizenship to Lebanese, Syrians, and all Arabs.
They've been saying this kind of nonsense about every generation, every year for decades. I'll believe it when I see it.
When I was a kid my parents would tell me that there would be no blonde people left when I was an adult.
Yeah, do not underestimate the racism of white boomers
When I was
A young boy
My father
Took me into the city
Then hit the door locks turned to me and said some of the gnarliest shit I've ever heard in my life
I like the idea of lots of different races of people because variety is nice. I sort of wish I was the tanner version of white because being out in the sun all day has turned me into an ugly wannabe-femboy tomato
Do not get sunburned or develop skin cancer or melanoma. https://vitamindwiki.com/No+%E2%80%93+10+minutes+per+day+of+sun-UVB+is+NOT+enough
Thanks for this psa. I wish more stuff on the internet was informative in a happy way like this _
