My take on Amber and leftists like her is that they hate libs and love dunking just on them so much, that they lose sight of how bad conservatives are.
Hating on libs is good, but don't go so far with it you start thinking conservatives are kinda not bad...
they hate libs so much and love dunking just on them, they lose sight of how bad conservatives are.
Something everyone here should reflect on once and a while. A lot of libs are a bad month from radicalizing, a lot of conservatives are a bad month from setting up a totally-not-racially-motivated checkpoint with a few armed buddies.
One of the things that bothered me about /r/cth (pbuh) was the idea that always being pushed that conservatives were usually closer to socialism than liberals. A lot of weird romanticizing of white hicks as misguided communists that'll surely abandon their reactionary worldview as soon as some DSA nerd tells them that unions are good or some bullshit. It's an opinion one can only form if your only interaction is with globe emoji neoliberal psychos on twitter
Where was that here? "This person wants to do awful things but it looks like they at least honestly believe what they're selling" isn't siding with the right on anything. My recollection might be off, but nothing in that segment struck me as "this person has good social views."
The hosts have some shit takes, some more than others, but we're getting to this weird place where we're waaaaaaaaay too committed to dumping on them for any reason we can possibly scrape together. You can't joke about "what podcast?", still listen to the podcast, get I'm-not-mad-you're-mad when they shit on your forum, then play telephone with segments of the podcast until you come up with something to be pissed at them over. That's gamer drama shit.
We shouldn't be reaching to dump on anyone who's broadly on the left, because how the fuck are we supposed to get anything done that way? No one wants to join a group where your supposed allies go out of their way to take you down, and pissing matches burn people out. Light ribbing of someone on the left is fine, insinuating that they're a social reactionary or even anti-Semetic without something concrete is not.
Amber is a Succ, she’s not on the left. This wall of text to defend your parasocial friend is besides the point, Amber consistently takes the furthest right position she can without getting exiled by her friend group - themselves a bunch of Brooklyn social chauvinists.
She’s the right-wing of the left-wing of capital. She’s the furthest right you can be and still be a social democrat, and social democrats are rightwing chauvinists.
What’s more pathetic? Calling out opportunism when you see it? Or debasing yourself online and twisting yourself into knots to defend one single person you have grown attached to?
Amber Stans in this thread are only making two points: 1) We only hate Amber because she’s a woman and are misogynists and 2) Wow dude why do you care so much?
Both are bad faith. I’m the only one here making actual points about her positions and politics.
Ah yes, the best way to achieve socialism is to take the small slice of America that's to the left of Bernie and divide it up even further. I'm sure we'll have the means of production in hand any day now.
The best way to achieve socialism is the violent seizure of the means of production by the organized working class, something that Amber and her Jacobin clique fight against. They fight against socialism through their rhetoric and actions. They are not on our side.
If you want to win, you need to recognize who is even defending your interests or on your side of the battle. Refusal to recognize an enemy does not make them your friend, it makes you vulnerable and naive.
violent seizure of the means of production by the organized working class
And you plan on achieving this by alienating a significant percentage of people who are to the left of Bernie, a candidate who was to the left of the most of the Democratic Party? Lmfao good luck
No significant portion of the working class gives a shit about Amber. They don’t even know who she is.
Failure to oust opportunists and grifters will actually alienate a much greater percentage of the growing proletariat movement than allowing them to fester will
Trust me, a working class black man gives no shits about the Amber defense squad and is actually more alienated by the white, upper class character of the “left”
If you're willing to cast out someone who is an actual labor organizer, who is actively radicalizing people, and who is one of the farthest-left people in the broadest possible definition of the political mainstream, you're never going to get anywhere. You're not fighting a protracted people's war with the dozen True Leftists who agree with you 100%.
If you want to organize a significant number of people to do real things, you need to talk to people who are light years farther to the right than wherever you think Amber is. You have to talk to libs, you have to talk to apolitical people who have all sorts of embedded reactionary views, you have to talk to some chuds at least to soften the opposition. And at some point you're going to have to rely on some of those people for help.
No revolution in history has succeeded by allying with the Social Democrats. They have always been betrayers and opportunists.
There will be no revolution in the US without a huge radicalizing shift from conditions. This is how the communist movement will form and gain momentum. It has nothing to do with diluting Marxism to accept revisionist succs.
You are distorting history and ideology and class interests to accommodate your podcast friends and it’s pathetic
No some people are just sick and tired of social democrat reactionaries and opportunist grifters infesting leftist spaces and your refusal to oust them
Weird how Amber’s “bits” always involve siding with the right on social issues and making inappropriate anti-Semitic remarks
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My take on Amber and leftists like her is that they hate libs and love dunking just on them so much, that they lose sight of how bad conservatives are.
Hating on libs is good, but don't go so far with it you start thinking conservatives are kinda not bad...
Something everyone here should reflect on once and a while. A lot of libs are a bad month from radicalizing, a lot of conservatives are a bad month from setting up a totally-not-racially-motivated checkpoint with a few armed buddies.
One of the things that bothered me about /r/cth (pbuh) was the idea that always being pushed that conservatives were usually closer to socialism than liberals. A lot of weird romanticizing of white hicks as misguided communists that'll surely abandon their reactionary worldview as soon as some DSA nerd tells them that unions are good or some bullshit. It's an opinion one can only form if your only interaction is with globe emoji neoliberal psychos on twitter
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Yes the Red Scare pod hosts who she did an interview with in a rightwing magazine.
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Where was that here? "This person wants to do awful things but it looks like they at least honestly believe what they're selling" isn't siding with the right on anything. My recollection might be off, but nothing in that segment struck me as "this person has good social views."
The hosts have some shit takes, some more than others, but we're getting to this weird place where we're waaaaaaaaay too committed to dumping on them for any reason we can possibly scrape together. You can't joke about "what podcast?", still listen to the podcast, get I'm-not-mad-you're-mad when they shit on your forum, then play telephone with segments of the podcast until you come up with something to be pissed at them over. That's gamer drama shit.
We shouldn't be reaching to dump on anyone who's broadly on the left, because how the fuck are we supposed to get anything done that way? No one wants to join a group where your supposed allies go out of their way to take you down, and pissing matches burn people out. Light ribbing of someone on the left is fine, insinuating that they're a social reactionary or even anti-Semetic without something concrete is not.
Amber is a Succ, she’s not on the left. This wall of text to defend your parasocial friend is besides the point, Amber consistently takes the furthest right position she can without getting exiled by her friend group - themselves a bunch of Brooklyn social chauvinists.
She’s the right-wing of the left-wing of capital. She’s the furthest right you can be and still be a social democrat, and social democrats are rightwing chauvinists.
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But Amber Defense Squad are all chads of course?
What’s more pathetic? Calling out opportunism when you see it? Or debasing yourself online and twisting yourself into knots to defend one single person you have grown attached to?
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Amber Stans in this thread are only making two points: 1) We only hate Amber because she’s a woman and are misogynists and 2) Wow dude why do you care so much?
Both are bad faith. I’m the only one here making actual points about her positions and politics.
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Point to me ever being wrong or being a lib and I will self immolate
Ah yes, the best way to achieve socialism is to take the small slice of America that's to the left of Bernie and divide it up even further. I'm sure we'll have the means of production in hand any day now.
The best way to achieve socialism is the violent seizure of the means of production by the organized working class, something that Amber and her Jacobin clique fight against. They fight against socialism through their rhetoric and actions. They are not on our side.
If you want to win, you need to recognize who is even defending your interests or on your side of the battle. Refusal to recognize an enemy does not make them your friend, it makes you vulnerable and naive.
And you plan on achieving this by alienating a significant percentage of people who are to the left of Bernie, a candidate who was to the left of the most of the Democratic Party? Lmfao good luck
No significant portion of the working class gives a shit about Amber. They don’t even know who she is.
Failure to oust opportunists and grifters will actually alienate a much greater percentage of the growing proletariat movement than allowing them to fester will
Trust me, a working class black man gives no shits about the Amber defense squad and is actually more alienated by the white, upper class character of the “left”
If you're willing to cast out someone who is an actual labor organizer, who is actively radicalizing people, and who is one of the farthest-left people in the broadest possible definition of the political mainstream, you're never going to get anywhere. You're not fighting a protracted people's war with the dozen True Leftists who agree with you 100%.
If you want to organize a significant number of people to do real things, you need to talk to people who are light years farther to the right than wherever you think Amber is. You have to talk to libs, you have to talk to apolitical people who have all sorts of embedded reactionary views, you have to talk to some chuds at least to soften the opposition. And at some point you're going to have to rely on some of those people for help.
No revolution in history has succeeded by allying with the Social Democrats. They have always been betrayers and opportunists.
There will be no revolution in the US without a huge radicalizing shift from conditions. This is how the communist movement will form and gain momentum. It has nothing to do with diluting Marxism to accept revisionist succs.
You are distorting history and ideology and class interests to accommodate your podcast friends and it’s pathetic
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Some folks seem to want idols and get very upset when podcast hosts don't live up to that expectation.
No some people are just sick and tired of social democrat reactionaries and opportunist grifters infesting leftist spaces and your refusal to oust them
Oh well then as the CEO of the leftist space that is the podcast Chapo Trap House, I will immediately go fire Amber
shes fired
Just stop defending her and ridicule her openly would be satisfactory