Libs literally bending over backwards because they decided they liked him before they learned about his past. Voted 3rd party last time, almost was gonna vote for a lib this time but I've been called an antisemite so many times I just can't bring myself to voting for a guy that not only supports genocide but calls me a racist for opposing it!

Like you can't call me a racist and expect me to vote for your candidate. Makes no sense, but that's what the convo is gonna be the next three months lmao.

  • CommunistCuddlefish [she/her]
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    To be clear, Kopmala's record is enough to show that nobody should vote for her anyway. She's 100% on board with genocide. The only way she could earn anyone's vote would be to make Rashida Tlaib her running mate by decree and then immediately do a billionaire tesla thing so that Rashida is the nominee instead.

    • barrbaric [he/him]
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      Backing her Tesla into a 6' deep pond, doing the thumbs up from the terminator as it sinks.

  • alvvayson@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    4 months ago

    Honestly, they almost all support the genocide and they all want war with Lebanon and Iran. The only Democrats opposing it are getting primaried hard.

    The USA must have greenlighted the attack on Haniyeh, and very likely also helped carry it out.

    So yeah, I get you. If I were American, I would probably still vote for Kamala, but it's all very Orwellian.

    • iminsomuchpainv2 [he/him]
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      4 months ago

      The Haniyeh attack is crazy, I'm not even certain that I believe the bomb story. There's got to be more there.

      • miz [any, any]
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        the bomb story is bullshit, one of the authors of the NYT article is iirc an IOF officer or similar. Iran says it was a short range projectile

        • iminsomuchpainv2 [he/him]
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          4 months ago

          Yeah I've seen that reported by Scahill's new outfit Dropsite News (which btw seems good so far, I'm a free subscriber and I've already gotten like 4 very good articles from Scahill on middle east politics in the last ~2 weeks).

    • YourMom [he/him]
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      But I was told that because there are 5x as many Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza as There were in 1967! So clearly I don't even know what genocide is and neither do you 😂

      • citrussy_capybara [ze/hir]
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        4 months ago

        kettling an entire country’s population from land being stolen into only two areas is going to lead to an increase in the number of people in those areas, yeah

        but the racist implication in such a “5x more than 60 years ago” is the Churchill “they breed like rabbits, so they actual need some genocide”

        • alvvayson@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          4 months ago

          Also, there are more Bosnians today than before the genocide against them. Genocide is not a numbers thing.

          And second, most people will say that Israel is guilty of apartheid and ethnic cleansing between 1948 and 2023.

          The genocide only started in 2023 after the attacks and is limited to Gaza.

          • robinnn
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            4 months ago

            https://thenewinquiry.com/blog/buffalo-skulls/

          • miz [any, any]
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            the zionist entity has as a matter of policy intentionally rationed the amount of calories that get into Gaza to keep the population on the edge of hunger for almost two decades

          • miz [any, any]
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            4 months ago

            Operation Cast Thy Bread was a zionist covert operation which poisoned the wells of Palestinians with biological warfare agents like typhus and dysentery as part of the Nakba in 1948

            it didn't start in 2023

        • iminsomuchpainv2 [he/him]
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          4 months ago

          I don't know much about this, but I've heard something anecdotal via radio war nerd that is related. The war nerd used to live in East Timor, not long after the genocide there, and he happened to witness a huge transition in the birth rate. Apparently the native population had a high birth rate during and immediately following the genocidal period which rapidly fell off not long afterwards. It's an interesting phenomenon that I haven't heard an anthropological explanation/discussion of, but perhaps there is a kind of communal response to this acute collective trauma that is inflicted on some populations.

          Perhaps it is better to discuss the Palestinian population by age demographic rather than just the number of Palestinians. My understanding was that prior to 10/7 approximately half of the Gaza strip's population was 18 or younger. No doubt some of that is explained by a reduced life expectancy for Gazans but there also must be a decent number of children being born.

          • Greenleaf [he/him]
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            4 months ago

            This is a phenomenon that occurs very frequently during and immediately after genlcides.

            • iminsomuchpainv2 [he/him]
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              4 months ago

              Do you know of any research on this? It matches my intuition that this could happen but I'd be curious if sociologists/anthropologists had taken a look

              • Greenleaf [he/him]
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                4 months ago

                No, I’ve just heard it talked about before 10/7 even happened.

  • chickentendrils [any, comrade/them]
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    I'd be a little surprised if she runs with Shapiro. He does suck, he was just there under the previous Dem gov and our options were zionist or actual anti-semite Mastriano monke-beepboop

    • JohnBrownsBussy2 [she/her, they/them]
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      She's announcing her VP pick in Philly, so it's most likely going to be Shapiro (or if she wants to do the most electorally-suicidal pick possible, John Fetterman.) If she's picking Beshear or Kelly or whoever, you'd expect her to have the announcement in their home state.

      • yuritopia [any]
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        4 months ago

        I've seen a couple comments on Reddit saying it's very uncommon to announce a VP in their home state, so it may be anyone but Shapiro. Although they (or I) could be mistaken. I'm too lazy to research it rn.

    • YourMom [he/him]
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      4 months ago

      I just read about it. Starting to think think we got Joshed

      The origin of the expression ‘Joshing Me’ can be found in the late 1800s, when a young man named Josh Tatum noticed that nickels minted in 1883 were almost the same as five-dollar gold pieces in terms of size and design

  • miz [any, any]
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    4 months ago

    would you rather be adrift at sea in a lifeboat with Ben Shapiro or Josh Shapiro

    • YourMom [he/him]
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      I mean I'll take Josh. If we're gonna die soon I might as well annoy him telling him indefensibly bad outcomes that have come from his lies.

      And if it comes down to it and someone has to get eaten, he's got more meat on his bones that little Benny Boy

    • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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      CPUSA is run by feds or useful idiots who support the Democrats. The consensus take on Hexbear is indeed to vote third party though.

    • YourMom [he/him]
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      4 months ago

      No clue. Just all feels so pointless lmao. I did a write in in PA and apparently those don't even count

      • CommunistCuddlefish [she/her]
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        4 months ago

        Try voting for PSL. CPUSA is either run by feds or is so completely co-opted by liberals as to be indistinguishable. A quick search of hexbear turns up so many bad takes from them

        • YourMom [he/him]
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          Ok. I doubt I can vote PSL bc PA has some quirky rules that make your vote not count if it's third party

            • YourMom [he/him]
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              4 months ago

              Hmm, I had no idea. I'll def take a look at who they run. I just know in the primary any form of protest vote was literally throwing your vote away. Assumed it was the same, at least for write ins. But if it's on the ballot or should work.

              • AernaLingus [any]
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                4 months ago

                Yeah, write-ins are pretty different--some states don't allow them at all, most states allow them but only for registered candidates (I guess you can be registered but just not get gather (enough) signatures to actually get on the ballot), and a handful have no restrictions on write-ins at all. Pennsylvania's in the registered candidates only category, so a write-in vote for an unregistered candidate won't be counted.

          • CommunistCuddlefish [she/her]
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            4 months ago

            Wow, we really to live in the land of the free don't we. Such legitimate democracy. Very wow.

            That sucks but in that case the best use of your vote is to completely throw it away. A vote for the Democrats is a vote for Genocide. You can write yourself in, or write me in.

            • YourMom [he/him]
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              4 months ago

              Yeah write in's aren't counted in PA look it up lol.

              At least PSL is on PA's ballot from what I see in here. Better than voting for someone that keeps calling me an antisemite.

    • Greenleaf [he/him]
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      Not OP but I am proudly voting for the PSL candidate since she is on the ballot in my state.

      If Claudia de la Cruz was not on the ballot, then Jill Stein would be acceptable.

      If I was in a state with neither on the ballot, I’d write in Xi Jinping.

  • alvvayson@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    4 months ago

    Dear OP, if you have TikTok, you might be interested in this video:

    https://vm.tiktok.com/ZIJnoMsQ6/

    Short version: it seems AIPAC hates Shapiro and is running a PsyOps against him because he doesn't like Netanyahu, favors a two-state solution and they can't call him an anti-semite.

    I don't know what to think, but shit is complex.

    • YourMom [he/him]
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      4 months ago

      Thanks for sharing. Now I have no idea what to think about any of this stuff