The Green Party has never done anything except run failed candidates every 4 years why would I vote for a party that's shown to be entirely opportunistic and careerist and not inherently based in any real material working class struggle?
lol and what does it mean for a "green party candidate" to win elections when the party platform is entirely up the air and only now has even been described as socialist in any way? There's not a single green party member in any state or national elected position currently, after the party existing for 20 years. Who is a well known "green party" politician? What has the green party actually done to advance working class struggles? The DSA has only really been active nationally in any serious way over the past 4 years and has already done more and gotten more people into meaningful positions of power than the Green Party.
to be clear, the green party currently has 130 members holding minor offices, 20 years after their foundation. i kind of doubt they’ve actually had “thousands” of people elected at all but if you have better data that’d be cool to see
Listening to PSL nerds try to talk down to the Green Party is deeply hilarious. The PSL and the Green Party were founded 3 years apart. The PSL has accomplished fuck all and is on the ballot in 15 states (no one sees your party name if you are a fucking write in), and the Greens have accomplished fuck all and every voter in the country will see their name on the ballot. There is no metric by which the PSL is could be considered more successful.
I'm not even a fucking Green Party person, some of you online PSL nerds are just that deeply fucking annoying and delusional.
ah yes the metric by which you're considered successful is whether your name is on the ballot lol. PSL actually organizes poor working class people, something the green party has never cared about. if i go join the green party in NYC right now what sort of organizing and work are they doing here and what have they done during covid and the protests here in the city? Nothing. A non existent party, amazing.
Which is it, getting on the ballot gets your name out there for more people to see, or getting on the ballot isn't actually important? I can't seem to follow your cope.
the PSL has been advocating and fighting for socialism for years and actually furthering the movement in significant and important ways, the greens barely just started even mentioning it, and also explicitly coming out against "state socialism". i couldnt give a fuck about ballots, the greens do fuck all when it comes down to it, so wtf does it matter that they get these votes if it never translated into anything more than a sparing campaign for climate advocacy? shit Sunrise just got founded and they already blew the fucking Greens out of relevancy in that field.
i dont give a fuck about the ballots in terms of using that as the metric to an org being successful or not. "There is no metric by which the PSL is could be considered more successful." 🙄
"Look at all these states where PSL is on the ballot!" to "Actually it's not that important, fuck being on the ballot..."
You keep talking like I'm supposed to judge the PSL by what's in their fucking heart. Intentions don't matter. The current 100+ Greens that hold local dog catcher and chairman of the annual hot dog parade committee hold and exercise more power than the PSL has in its entire history. I'm not gonna be lectured on the superiority of a fucking party that ran Roseanne Barr for president.
You're a fucking idiot if you think the green party holding bullshit positions in small cities in random places means anything. The PSL literally runs radical tenants unions that are capable of staging rent strikes. They've shown in the BLM protests that they're able to lead people to break the law in protest. There is no current or former Green Party member who could rouse a crowd of thousands like Eugene Puryear did in Philly (no official count but it looked bigger than most Bernie rallies). They don't have state power but they have people power. That's something you need to understand if you want Socialism.
Literally the two Green Party candidates who are Chair and a Commisioner of the Rent Stabilization Board in Berkeley, CA have more power to effect the lives of renter's than the like 50 tenants unions the PSL has organized in its history.
The PSL doesn't have "people power". If they had people power, I wouldn't be looking at a map where they are only on the ballot in 13 states, when the primmary requirement for getting on the ballot is getting people to sign a petition. People didn't show up the that rally in Philadelphia because Eugene Puryear and the PSL were involved, they showed up because it was a BLM rally in a diverse, left-leaning city in the middle of one of the largest protest movements against racism in this country's history. Don't confuse doing entryism with having power. No one was calling that rally the "PSL rally".
While we are on the topic of Eugene Puryear, remind me, which party did he run under in DC, in between his two attempts to be PSL VP candidate?
Thanks for posting some evidence that the Greens are helpful to the working class.
Which ones are green? https://www.cityofberkeley.info/Rent_Stabilization_Board/Home/Meet/Contact_the_Board.aspx
This site says the chair is a democrat: https://votersedge.org/ca/en/election/2020-03-03/alameda-county/member-democratic-party-county-central-committee-assembly-district-15-alameda-portion/paola-laverde
Actually Greens are missing from a lot of ballots this year. Wisconsin and Pennsylvania aren't the only ones. They just didn't bother to collect signatures
The Green Party has never done anything except run failed candidates every 4 years why would I vote for a party that's shown to be entirely opportunistic and careerist and not inherently based in any real material working class struggle?
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who the fuck says we're protest voting lmao
The libs just want to be heard by their masters 😔
lol and what does it mean for a "green party candidate" to win elections when the party platform is entirely up the air and only now has even been described as socialist in any way? There's not a single green party member in any state or national elected position currently, after the party existing for 20 years. Who is a well known "green party" politician? What has the green party actually done to advance working class struggles? The DSA has only really been active nationally in any serious way over the past 4 years and has already done more and gotten more people into meaningful positions of power than the Green Party.
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this comment gave me a migraine
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typed aneurysm first but then realized id only be so lucky
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to be clear, the green party currently has 130 members holding minor offices, 20 years after their foundation. i kind of doubt they’ve actually had “thousands” of people elected at all but if you have better data that’d be cool to see
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Listening to PSL nerds try to talk down to the Green Party is deeply hilarious. The PSL and the Green Party were founded 3 years apart. The PSL has accomplished fuck all and is on the ballot in 15 states (no one sees your party name if you are a fucking write in), and the Greens have accomplished fuck all and every voter in the country will see their name on the ballot. There is no metric by which the PSL is could be considered more successful.
I'm not even a fucking Green Party person, some of you online PSL nerds are just that deeply fucking annoying and delusional.
ah yes the metric by which you're considered successful is whether your name is on the ballot lol. PSL actually organizes poor working class people, something the green party has never cared about. if i go join the green party in NYC right now what sort of organizing and work are they doing here and what have they done during covid and the protests here in the city? Nothing. A non existent party, amazing.
Which is it, getting on the ballot gets your name out there for more people to see, or getting on the ballot isn't actually important? I can't seem to follow your cope.
the PSL has been advocating and fighting for socialism for years and actually furthering the movement in significant and important ways, the greens barely just started even mentioning it, and also explicitly coming out against "state socialism". i couldnt give a fuck about ballots, the greens do fuck all when it comes down to it, so wtf does it matter that they get these votes if it never translated into anything more than a sparing campaign for climate advocacy? shit Sunrise just got founded and they already blew the fucking Greens out of relevancy in that field.
"I couldn't give a fuck about the ballots, that's why I made this post about the PSL being on the ballot."
i dont give a fuck about the ballots in terms of using that as the metric to an org being successful or not. "There is no metric by which the PSL is could be considered more successful." 🙄
"Look at all these states where PSL is on the ballot!" to "Actually it's not that important, fuck being on the ballot..."
You keep talking like I'm supposed to judge the PSL by what's in their fucking heart. Intentions don't matter. The current 100+ Greens that hold local dog catcher and chairman of the annual hot dog parade committee hold and exercise more power than the PSL has in its entire history. I'm not gonna be lectured on the superiority of a fucking party that ran Roseanne Barr for president.
You're a fucking idiot if you think the green party holding bullshit positions in small cities in random places means anything. The PSL literally runs radical tenants unions that are capable of staging rent strikes. They've shown in the BLM protests that they're able to lead people to break the law in protest. There is no current or former Green Party member who could rouse a crowd of thousands like Eugene Puryear did in Philly (no official count but it looked bigger than most Bernie rallies). They don't have state power but they have people power. That's something you need to understand if you want Socialism.
Literally the two Green Party candidates who are Chair and a Commisioner of the Rent Stabilization Board in Berkeley, CA have more power to effect the lives of renter's than the like 50 tenants unions the PSL has organized in its history.
The PSL doesn't have "people power". If they had people power, I wouldn't be looking at a map where they are only on the ballot in 13 states, when the primmary requirement for getting on the ballot is getting people to sign a petition. People didn't show up the that rally in Philadelphia because Eugene Puryear and the PSL were involved, they showed up because it was a BLM rally in a diverse, left-leaning city in the middle of one of the largest protest movements against racism in this country's history. Don't confuse doing entryism with having power. No one was calling that rally the "PSL rally".
While we are on the topic of Eugene Puryear, remind me, which party did he run under in DC, in between his two attempts to be PSL VP candidate?
Thanks for posting some evidence that the Greens are helpful to the working class.
Which ones are green? https://www.cityofberkeley.info/Rent_Stabilization_Board/Home/Meet/Contact_the_Board.aspx
This site says the chair is a democrat: https://votersedge.org/ca/en/election/2020-03-03/alameda-county/member-democratic-party-county-central-committee-assembly-district-15-alameda-portion/paola-laverde
https://www.gp.org/officeholders
Thanks. Looks like they didn't remove the people who have expired terms.
Actually Greens are missing from a lot of ballots this year. Wisconsin and Pennsylvania aren't the only ones. They just didn't bother to collect signatures
I'm referencing more that you can usually find a Green candidate on the ballot in every state, and not necessarily the presidential election.