Struggle session engage. Post your pathetic arguments so that I and the other China Good Posters can dismantle them and you can learn.

Key points:

  • China is a democracy. It is arguably the most functional and responsive democracy in a major country today. Its citizens consider it more democratic than the citizens of almost any other country do their own.

  • China is on a clear path to socialism and economic justice. No nation in history has ever reduced poverty in anything like the way China is doing it.

  • The vast majority of people in the PRC support the CPC. This is not due to being brainwashed. Americans are brainwashed and still hate their government.

  • Almost everything you hear about China in the West sits on a spectrum between malicious misrepresentation to outright fabrication with no basis in reality.

  • China's ascension to the premiere global power is an extremely good thing for world peace and the global socialist movement. While China does not actively support other socialisms (sadly it's not as good as the USSR in this regard) it does not do imperialism. China will allow socialisms around the world to flourish simply by not actively crushing them like the US and Europe.

  • Awoo [she/her]
    1·
    4 years ago

    Cuba has no meaningful power or ability to change the material conditions of the world. In order to be any sort of "hope" you must have the power to actually displace the global capitalist powers.

    You're right in saying Cuba was highly responsible for the pink tide but that was the work of the Cuban revolutionaries who continued to attempt to export revolution after Cuba was made safe. They continued it until they were all gone and there is now no longer much exportation of the revolution because the generation that carried it out just isn't around anymore. Cuba's work to export revolution to south america was also largely helped by the support the USSR provided them.

    • cracksmoke2020 [none/use name]
      2·
      4 years ago

      See I think there's far more potential in a unified left movement coming out of Latin America to challenge American hegemony than anything coming out of China. The level of resentment China has to the existing imperial powers isn't especially significant in comparison.

      The USSR was also far better than contemporary China even with their various internal problems. Contemporary China has far deeper ties with the global elite davos types than they do with the working people of the developing world.

      My support for China exists in the support for a far more multipolar world rather than thinking their some kind of magic socialist solution.

      • Awoo [she/her]
        2·
        4 years ago

        You're stuck in a mindset of achieving the displacement of capitalism via combat and destruction.

        China is walking a path that is far closer to Marx's actual interpretation of how society moved from one historical organisation of society to the next. Each new phase didn't become the global norm simply because it destroyed the previous one, it became the new global norm because it made the old organisation of society completely obsolete. Their plan is to advance socialist society so significantly that every other society trading with and cooperating with them is pulled along into socialism by virtue of it making capitalism obsolete.

        You can only do this from the position of #1 in all areas of development, and so they have embarked upon a method that will allow them to get ahead of the US and to then continue to develop further and further beyond it. Pulling up everyone around them with it.

        The low level of resentment you speak about is quite intentional. They don't want to start wars and conflict, they want to simply develop along so much that all are pulled along with them, that other societies MUST reorganise and advance because they will otherwise fall behind if they do not.

        • cracksmoke2020 [none/use name]
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          4 years ago

          Look I've read plenty of translated chinese government documents and I do recognize there are certainly some deep egalitarian beliefs out there, but you see the same sorts of documents come from the more left wing cities in the US.

          Xi certainly does represent a path to what you're talking about, but the guy before him and the Shanghai clique absolutely did not represent that path forward. There's absolutely good reason to be skeptical that China will do what they claim from a socialist perspective.

          • Zodiark [he/him]
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            4 years ago

            Isn't Xi known for his anti-corruption campaigns though. It seems he is addressing the danger of bourgeois revisionism.

            • cracksmoke2020 [none/use name]
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              4 years ago

              Yeah I agree that Xi is relatively good, but the last two leaders before him we're deeply in the pockets of both domestic and international business interests.