That is really dodgy territory, and I say this as someone that could have benefitted a ton of it existed when I was born (it could be used to stop my genetic spinal deformity for example)
It's largely made dodgy territory because of the society we live in. The technology will have a hefty price tag and the cutting edge advancements will be kept for the very rich.
Superficially, the ability to - for instance - correct life threatening or shortening conditions such as CF or severe arthiritus in the womb could be very beneficial. We don't need to stray into the more morally dubious areas such as severe global learning delay or whatever to find a whole host of illnesses and conditions that make so many people's lives shorter and more miserable. Imagine if you could remove susceptibility to childhood leukemia, or effectively eradicate Cystic Fibrosis. That would, in the right society be a massive step forward.
Trouble is that it won't be accessable for most of the world and even in rich countries only the upper levels of society will have the resources to access it. Then there are other implications. Do you think for a second billionaires would hesitate to tweak their kids' genetics to add another few decades - hell a few centuries to their life expectancy if it were possible - and it might well be a few decades into pumping serious levels of funding and research into it. Make them stronger, taller, whatever? Of course they wouldn't. This would just serve to massively widen the gulf between the working class and the ruling class as does damn near every bit of technology we develop under capitalism.
Noun. liberal eugenics (uncountable) An ideology that advocates the use of reproductive and genetic technologies where the choice of enhancing human characteristics and capacities is left to the individual preferences of parents acting as consumers, rather than the public health policies of the state.
It has shady implications and what not, but people in the replies keep acting like he has called for culling of the undesirables.
The "consumer choices" of the rich will be to become genetically flawless transhumanists who live to be 300.
Who is rich and who isn't in currently existing Liberal societies is extremely racially disparate due to centuries of colonization, enslavement and exploitation primarily done by one race - the race that now holds the vast, vast majority of the wealth.
This is just genocide with additional steps. This is the ultimate realization of the racialist project, to speciate as the "ubermensch" and actually become the superior race. Liberalism is just less overtly violent fulfillment of the same racial supremacist project.
That's what I meant by shady implications, but this GATTACA shit is science fiction right now. Are going to tell a women trying to exercise her reproductive rights and screen potential embryos for Duchenne Muscular Dystrophy they are being racist genociders? Again, I think it's a complex question and wouldn't rush to conclusions.
Genetic engineering under capitalism and white supremacy is going to be a no-go for me. Temporary moratorium until we have socialism and decolonization.
Prenatal screening I've described is already happening and it isn't genetic engineering. Under capitalism/white supremacy new medical or educational technology will first be only available to favored class/race and help them get even more ahead. It sucks, but probably not a reason to stop people from getting treatment/education. I'd say those things should be examined on case by case basis. Like saying rich kids should have DMD and die at 15 just because some poor do seems harsh.
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hacking embyros afaik. so you can pick a kid's hair color or sex or genetic traits.
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reveal parties become obsolete because it's always an aryan
Baby supermarket Peter Singer
That is really dodgy territory, and I say this as someone that could have benefitted a ton of it existed when I was born (it could be used to stop my genetic spinal deformity for example)
would be nice to not have to worry about anyone having spina bifida ever again, but noooo, racists gotta make everything awful.
fuck me but its stupid
It's largely made dodgy territory because of the society we live in. The technology will have a hefty price tag and the cutting edge advancements will be kept for the very rich.
Superficially, the ability to - for instance - correct life threatening or shortening conditions such as CF or severe arthiritus in the womb could be very beneficial. We don't need to stray into the more morally dubious areas such as severe global learning delay or whatever to find a whole host of illnesses and conditions that make so many people's lives shorter and more miserable. Imagine if you could remove susceptibility to childhood leukemia, or effectively eradicate Cystic Fibrosis. That would, in the right society be a massive step forward.
Trouble is that it won't be accessable for most of the world and even in rich countries only the upper levels of society will have the resources to access it. Then there are other implications. Do you think for a second billionaires would hesitate to tweak their kids' genetics to add another few decades - hell a few centuries to their life expectancy if it were possible - and it might well be a few decades into pumping serious levels of funding and research into it. Make them stronger, taller, whatever? Of course they wouldn't. This would just serve to massively widen the gulf between the working class and the ruling class as does damn near every bit of technology we develop under capitalism.
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Means tested tax subsidies for ethnic cleansing
It has shady implications and what not, but people in the replies keep acting like he has called for culling of the undesirables.
That is asking for the culling of undesirables. Decentralized individualist genocide is still genocide
I'd wait to see what the guy was advocating specifically, before accusing him of supporting genocide.
The "consumer choices" of the rich will be to become genetically flawless transhumanists who live to be 300.
Who is rich and who isn't in currently existing Liberal societies is extremely racially disparate due to centuries of colonization, enslavement and exploitation primarily done by one race - the race that now holds the vast, vast majority of the wealth.
This is just genocide with additional steps. This is the ultimate realization of the racialist project, to speciate as the "ubermensch" and actually become the superior race. Liberalism is just less overtly violent fulfillment of the same racial supremacist project.
That's what I meant by shady implications, but this GATTACA shit is science fiction right now. Are going to tell a women trying to exercise her reproductive rights and screen potential embryos for Duchenne Muscular Dystrophy they are being racist genociders? Again, I think it's a complex question and wouldn't rush to conclusions.
Genetic engineering under capitalism and white supremacy is going to be a no-go for me. Temporary moratorium until we have socialism and decolonization.
Prenatal screening I've described is already happening and it isn't genetic engineering. Under capitalism/white supremacy new medical or educational technology will first be only available to favored class/race and help them get even more ahead. It sucks, but probably not a reason to stop people from getting treatment/education. I'd say those things should be examined on case by case basis. Like saying rich kids should have DMD and die at 15 just because some poor do seems harsh.