"Go on, call me a tankie, you are only cancelling a lib"

  • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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    How anyone can reach this conclusion is beyond me. Bernie -- not even an unusually strong candidate -- was the clear frontrunner in the primary until he got kneecapped by unprecedented (and lucky) Democratic coordination. They're not too strong; eight months ago they were all getting their asses beat by an old man from a state most people forget who had to build a political base from scratch.

    • mrbigcheese [he/him]
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      its entirely delusional to think Bernie was ever going to win or that real change could come from such a thing

            • anonymous_ascendent [none/use name]
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              How many times do we need to repeat this to you to understand? The conditions for revolution in a colonized state and a colonizer state are not the same?

              • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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                As I've mentioned elsewhere -- to you, in this thread -- no one knows how to create socialism in the imperial core. Writing off electoralism when no one has a surefire answer is ridiculous.

                • blobjim [he/him]
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                  Bruh it ain't happening through elections. We didn't even see a quarter of what the capitalist class could do to stop Bernie and pacify people. Look at the UK, Corbyn was sabotaged by half his own party.

                  • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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                    OK, what's your solution? Honestly, I'm all ears, but so far I've seen no other workable idea.

                • anonymous_ascendent [none/use name]
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                  Yes we know how to create socialism, we have done it dozens of times. we still need capitalism in the core to reach the correct conditions of crisis that it has reached in periphery states - WW2 was an anomaly that reset the clock on capitalism due to mass destruction of capital.

                  All you are doing is mystifying.

                  Tell me this, since you say “Marxism is a science, not a dogma - it is open to critique”

                  Why then, is the critique from your type, your class, always exactly the same reformist idealist pablum? Why are you not even more revolutionary, authoritarian or something else? Why does the revisionist “drift” always gravitate to the right, towards capital - from petty bourgeoise ‘socialists’? Why is the drift never to the left, away from capital, from the poorer and more proletarian socialists?

                  • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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                    we have done it dozens of time

                    Exactly zero times in the imperial core. We had this conversation ten minutes ago in this thread -- why are you just repeating yourself?

        • anonymous_ascendent [none/use name]
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          You are the one who still believes in electoralism after what we witnessed. Who is the one coping and in denial again?