Original post here: https://hexbear.net/post/3856299?scrollToComments=false

I think we have a general path forward based on community feedback. "We see you, we hear you!"

I went ahead and unpinned the old post. I'm pinning this one for now and will edit this post when I wake up from eepy time. I had a very mid week and have no particular alarm set so be on look out. Love y'all and I'm amped for my first announcement post since coming back. :)

  • heggs_bayer [none/use name]
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    17 days ago

    The mods/admins who were using the "it's cishet white guy behavior" angle never attempted to explain why they consider it to be the case. They just asserted it and stuck to it when many marginalized people were dissenting against the rule change. Your 4 paragraph comment spent more time making a good faith argument for the behavior to be white cis etc than hours worth of comments made by the offending mods.

    • ChicagoCommunist [none/use name]
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      17 days ago

      Sure, but I'd hope the amount of work they've put in has earned them some degree of good-faith interpretation. It's difficult to put concepts into words, especially in the heat of the moment, so sometimes using a "vibe" as a shorthand signifier has to do.

      Not to mention this debate has been ongoing for months or years, in various forms, so every statement has a depth of potential implications and contexts that aren't gonna be obvious to everyone.

      "Cishet white guy behavior" is perfectly understandable to me as shorthand for the in-group/out-group superiority/inferiority complex that's plagued this site since the beginning, but I've been here continuously from the beginning. It's a poor signifier for users who haven't been here the whole time (whether new users or old users that left for a while) or even people with a different perspective/experience of the site.

      • heggs_bayer [none/use name]
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        17 days ago

        "Cishet white guy behavior" is perfectly understandable to me as shorthand for the in-group/out-group superiority/inferiority complex that's plagued this site since the beginning, but I've been here continuously from the beginning. It's a poor signifier for users who haven't been here the whole time (whether new users or old users that left for a while) or even people with a different perspective/experience of the site.

        I'll defer to you on this since I haven't been around close to as long and am not marginalized. A big issue I saw was that a lot of marginalized people caught strays for enjoying "cishet white guy behavior" and made it known that they saw it as invalidating.

        • ChicagoCommunist [none/use name]
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          17 days ago

          Yeah that's a perfectly valid critique. There's an important concept behind the signifier, but there are better signifiers that can be used to communicate it.