It doesn’t say anything about how riding horses always causes spinal damage or whatever.
Good thing I never made any such claim.
Do you use this same argument in favor of cops? "Well, not all cops rape and murder black people. Therefore cops are cool and good." Same logic. Fuck that.
We would have to intervene in a massive scale to stop them from breeding
lol you're so fucking stupid
these animals would not exist in the first place without our deliberate efforts to breed them.
if their existence causes them so much suffering that they shouldn’t exist, as you imply, we should also be euthanizing them.
that's a dumb leap of logic and nothing like anything i have ever suggested
Ok, so the issue is with mistreatment, not some weird Kantian “using them as a mere means to an end” bullshit like your first post was putting forward.
The idea that animals exist to be used like objects for our own purposes is one of many thoughts which must be eradicated in a just society.
Riding a horse is treating it poorly. It’s not a pleasant experience. And there’s no way to do that respectfully.
Then,
I would like to see the citations on all horses being harmed by being ridden.
https://thehorse.com/14605/equine-back-problems/
as a response, which described spinal damage "or whatever" being diagnosed in horses.
The claim you made that just riding horses is mistreatment because it causes them medical issues is false.
Do you use this same argument in favor of cops? “Well, not all cops rape and murder black people. Therefore cops are cool and good.” Same logic. Fuck that.
What relation does that even have to what I was saying?
Sometimes people have children and abuse them. It doesn't follow from that that having children is itself abusive.
All cops are bad because of the institutional oppression that they enforce. They're not bad just because plenty of them personally and directly brutalize Black people. There are cops who haven't done that (yet), but they're still bad by virtue of their role in upholding capitalist property relations and white supremacy. The fact that a lot of them also murder black people and that the rest tolerate it is just more bad on top of the fundamental badness.
You clearly don't understand why cops are bad. You have a liberal understanding of the institution of policing that you need to interrogate.
It is literally true that "some of X do bad things" doesn't equal "X is always bad". Riding a horse and riding a horse in a way that hurts it are not the same thing.
lol you’re so fucking stupid
I think you're projecting, bud.
these animals would not exist in the first place without our deliberate efforts to breed them.
Yes, and people are going to continue to breed them (and lots of them will just breed on their own for a long time without us) unless there's a concerted effort to abolish that breeding. You'd need to make the case that there's something fundamentally wrong with breeding chickens to justify that. You haven't.
that’s a dumb leap of logic and nothing like anything i have ever suggested
Eh, you're right about that. You could just sterilize them. Or wrangle every chicken on Earth and keep them all segregated by sex?
Anyway, the problem you pointed out with chickens is that they're bred in a way that causes them to be so unhealthy that it's wrong to make more of them. Since laying eggs is something they do automatically, and that's the cause of the problems you claim exist, you'd have to at least sterilize them to put an end to it.
The idea that animals exist to be used like objects for our own purposes is one of many thoughts which must be eradicated in a just society.
You still haven't made that case. You've only tried to point out specific examples of cruelty. What's wrong with raising alpacas for wool, or service dogs? In both cases we're using them just for our own purposes. Why is that a problem?
All cops are bad because of the institutional oppression that they enforce. They’re not bad just because plenty of them personally and directly brutalize Black people.
Good thing I never made any such claim.
Do you use this same argument in favor of cops? "Well, not all cops rape and murder black people. Therefore cops are cool and good." Same logic. Fuck that.
lol you're so fucking stupid
these animals would not exist in the first place without our deliberate efforts to breed them.
that's a dumb leap of logic and nothing like anything i have ever suggested
The idea that animals exist to be used like objects for our own purposes is one of many thoughts which must be eradicated in a just society.
You literally did. You said,
Then,
as a response, which described spinal damage "or whatever" being diagnosed in horses.
The claim you made that just riding horses is mistreatment because it causes them medical issues is false.
What relation does that even have to what I was saying?
Sometimes people have children and abuse them. It doesn't follow from that that having children is itself abusive.
All cops are bad because of the institutional oppression that they enforce. They're not bad just because plenty of them personally and directly brutalize Black people. There are cops who haven't done that (yet), but they're still bad by virtue of their role in upholding capitalist property relations and white supremacy. The fact that a lot of them also murder black people and that the rest tolerate it is just more bad on top of the fundamental badness.
You clearly don't understand why cops are bad. You have a liberal understanding of the institution of policing that you need to interrogate.
It is literally true that "some of X do bad things" doesn't equal "X is always bad". Riding a horse and riding a horse in a way that hurts it are not the same thing.
I think you're projecting, bud.
Yes, and people are going to continue to breed them (and lots of them will just breed on their own for a long time without us) unless there's a concerted effort to abolish that breeding. You'd need to make the case that there's something fundamentally wrong with breeding chickens to justify that. You haven't.
Eh, you're right about that. You could just sterilize them. Or wrangle every chicken on Earth and keep them all segregated by sex?
Anyway, the problem you pointed out with chickens is that they're bred in a way that causes them to be so unhealthy that it's wrong to make more of them. Since laying eggs is something they do automatically, and that's the cause of the problems you claim exist, you'd have to at least sterilize them to put an end to it.
You still haven't made that case. You've only tried to point out specific examples of cruelty. What's wrong with raising alpacas for wool, or service dogs? In both cases we're using them just for our own purposes. Why is that a problem?
Seems like kind of a liberal attitude, honestly.
You're so close to understanding
Breeding chickens is not institutional oppression.
Why? Because their suffering doesn't matter because they can't express it the way you can?
Fuck yourself.
No, because it doesn't necessarily cause them suffering.
Jesus Christ you're dense.