Please stop listening to rich kids.

Especially ones using fascist hashtags. https://t.co/mL53popBr4?amp=1

https://medium.com/@TalibKweli/why-ados-is-trash-receipts-attached-5a337f46f10

And working with Trump staffers.

https://imgur.com/a/lVxZ3ye

Who are also connected to said fascist hashtags.

These people are not leftists. They arent your friends.

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Here is a contra mod calling BJG and her podcast rich kid fascism. Which is hilariously ironic.. considering contra is that.

  • s_p_l_o_d_e [they/them,he/him]
    3·
    4 years ago

    Every breadtube struggle session should begin and end with "Stop watching Breadtube" (edit: or as @Spike said "Stop relying on Breadtube")

    They might have been useful at some point to some people, but they're just terminally online personalities who don't organize or promote relevant ideas.

    Please call me out if you disagree, tbh I haven't watched more than two videos by any breadtuber, but from the drama that surrounds them and the general bad takes they promote, they don't seem very helpful or useful to anyone.

    • Spike [none/use name]
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      4 years ago

      I would tweak it to "stop relying on breadtube". I think there will continue to be good videos made on certain topics, but these people are never going to be a role model or leader or anything else. They're just people that make videos.

      Same goes for podcasters

      • s_p_l_o_d_e [they/them,he/him]
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        4 years ago

        Yeah, that's a more nuanced approach.

        Maybe because leftists read a lot of theory, we hope that our modern day essayists (video or otherwise) are as timeless and valuable, but that could also lead a lot of us to rely on these people to develop our ideas for us. Probably due to the atomization of culture and community due to late capitalism that prevents us from engaging in the activities that helped shape the revolutionaries and theorists that we still go back to.

        Breadtube is not a good substitute for organizing (union, political party, grassroots community org, book club, local leftist rifle assoc, etc)

        • nohaybanda [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          Wait, y'all are actually serious about this whole reading theory stuff? :cat-confused:

          • s_p_l_o_d_e [they/them,he/him]
            ·
            4 years ago

            Wait, y'all are actually serious about this whole watching youtube videos for theory stuff?

            real talk though, I strongly recommend reading theory/history rather than just watching youtube video essays or listening to podcasts.

            Obviously reading theory includes audiobooks, but having the text and being able to go about it at your own pace rather than being passively getting pushed along by someone else is still better for comprehension.

            • nohaybanda [he/him]
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              4 years ago

              I definitely agree. My comment was meant more as a snarky reminder that the chapo collective is a whole lot more diverse in our journeys towards radical politics than people here seem to think. Demanding people cancel this or that breadtuber, or denouncing content creation (i.e. Propaganda) as not praxis is just... Kind of divorced from reality. Demanding ideological purity from fellow party members makes perfect sense. Getting shitty at strangers on the Internet, even when we call each other comrade?

              • s_p_l_o_d_e [they/them,he/him]
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                4 years ago

                Absolutely, hence why I changed it from "stop watching" to "stop relying on" as the other user suggested. Basically, yes, breadtube can be useful for getting people informed, but i think the hyperfocus on the drama surrounding them and being surprised when people leftists were relying on to be on the same level as the authors of theory, who were (often but not always) involved agitators and revolutionaries or organizers, disappoint them by being self-serving youtubers trying to massage an algorithm that relies on human labor to function (and thus benefit them) and not doing much beyond relying on said algorithm to get a platform to say things.

                Like, cool if lefttube got you into leftist ideas and politics and actions, but to treat them as if they're infallible and then get upset when they're dumb is a waste of time imo.

                • nohaybanda [he/him]
                  ·
                  4 years ago

                  Good point, but I'm not really seeing anyone on here arguing breadtubers are infallible. From where I'm standing it's mostly just chapos grandstanding about who's the only leftists around here. Which is cool as a running joke, and not so much when it turns into gatekeeping.

                  For the record, I don't follow breadtube beyond the videos, or what few of them grab my attention. I don't do twitter, and don't care about relationships, spats, infighting etc. I see them and the podcasters as general leftist propaganda. Some good, some bad, a lot of it dubiously effective. That's it. I don't know where y'all are getting the idea anyone around here is confusing this with organising a revolution.

      • pilsator [he/him]
        ·
        4 years ago

        Cuckphilosophy is excellent. Anarchopac / Zoe Baker also delivers some of the most genuine intriguing insights into anarchist philosophy. Both seem to abstain from twitter drama and meta posting / purple lights aesthetic and focus on good thought provoking videos.