• PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml
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    1 year ago

    The PRC is the confederate equivalent, as they weren’t the original legal government unlike Taiwan, which legally is the heir of the ROC.

    Going by paper legality argument, ROC is also illegal because it wrested power from Qing. Which conquered China from Ming, which toppled Yuan, and going fast forward to Han, Qing, Zhao and Shang, neither of them also risen peacefully.

    • ToastyMedic@reddthat.com
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      1 year ago

      Ahhh, Chinese history. Breaking every 400-500 years into total chaos, and someone new fixes it so the cycle repeated.

      • PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml
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        1 year ago

        Does it looks like that to you? I would say they have unparallelled cultural and civilisational continuity rarily seen in any other place. And feudal empires falling is not the gotcha you think it is, especially when you look at the absolute clusterfuck in Europe (or many other places too).

        Also nice deflection.

        • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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          1 year ago

          Every great empire in human civilization has fallen. China is the only one to have fallen and then gotten back up multiple times.

          Like yeah China will probably fall again in the future, but the great grandchildren of everyone on this site will be long dead by then. Contrast that with America, which has had hegemony only since 1945 and already looks like it's in terminal decline.

          • The_Jewish_Cuban [he/him]
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            1 year ago

            It will fall when they abolish the state as global communism has been achieved. Unfortunately this is still well after we and our grandkids die

          • barrbaric [he/him]
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            1 year ago

            Contrast that with America, which has had hegemony only since 1945 and already looks like it's in terminal decline.

            They've lasted less than the British! The BRITISH!

        • ToastyMedic@reddthat.com
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          1 year ago

          You made your point dating to the shang, and I dont disagree. Even more, you're right, feudal empires falling isn't a gotcha.

          So what about a modern state being violently overthrown? Or is this different because one violent, illegiment warlord championed "the people", and proceeded to starve 200* million of them after taking power?

          Which one of these two states still maintains democratic or republican ideals for the people, a reminder that real Legitimacy lay with the people.

          Sorry. Just a measley 50 million people mb. Still the worst famine in history. And 100% preventable.

          • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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            1 year ago

            Modern state is when you fund yourself off of opium profits, you appoint your gangster relatives to be in charge of state finances, your officials occasionally run off to form collaborationist governments with Imperial Japan, and you're so corrupt and incompetent that your own allies are disgusted by you and you lose a war against your own people despite the military and financial backing of the most powerful country in the world.

            Democratic and republican ideals is when you retreat to an island because you got your ass handed to you and then perpetrate the White Terror against your people for 40 years.

          • PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml
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            1 year ago

            You made your point dating to the shang, and I dont disagree.

            Well, as i read about the history of China, previous entity of Xia apparently didn't conquered anyone and even if they did, we don't know, written history of China start from the late Shang period.

            About the rest Tankiedesantski answered you about the "republican ideas" of ROC, i can only add that even if you deflect yet again to "real Legitimacy lay with the people" there is nothing more really legitimate by the people than popular revolution which led to the state being supported by 90% of population.

          • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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            1 year ago

            and proceeded to starve 200 million of them

            Reds killed trillions