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  • Koa_lala [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    but putting thousands of them in camps is fucking wrong. Its not a fairytale. I’ve spent a LOT of time in western china, and the Muslim population are treated like absolute shit.

    Could you point me to evidence of this? I'm open for any and all credible evidence. I think the main contention is that the only evidence is provided by CIA sources.

    • dufftron [none/use name]
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      If you are going to declare literally ANY new source a CIA shill, then I don't know what to tell you. If you can look at the satellite imagery of homes being destroyed en masse, and camps being built and say: "that is 100% consensual redevelopment and vocational training" ... I don't know what to tell you. You need to get on a plane, fly to Urumqi, sit through about 2 weeks of beauracratic bullshit, then go speak to people on the ground. Muslims are treated like second class citizens. Theyre constantly discriminated against, they get lower pay, they have 0 control over their futures inthe country, and they are legit scared. Go to a cafe, and watch Han people throw food and napkins at Muslim waiters, and shout insults at them. Sometimes you actually need to leave your basement and see the world...

      You cant GET a muslim to speak to you most of the time, because they're fucking scared, and 95% of the time your government escort is strongarming you into 100% han businesses/areas.

      And AGAIN if you think all 300 of these sources are CIA propaganda... I dont know what to say to you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_re-education_camps

      • camaron28 [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        Oh no, 1 source is Zenz. The other 299 just refer back to him.

        Edit: Lmao, the pic is not even one of the camps, if i remember correctly it was just a regular prison.

      • JoeySteel [comrade/them]
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        Lmao the "sattellite pics" turned out to be schools and offices lol

        • dufftron [none/use name]
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          Source? For the ~400 plus camps...

          A school you have no choice in leaving isn't a fucking school.

      • Yun [he/him]
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        You cant GET a muslim to speak to you most of the time, because they’re fucking scared, and 95% of the time your government escort is strongarming you into 100% han businesses/areas.

        Have you seen this guy's videos?

        https://youtu.be/dCNgYKBgZtc?t=202

        https://youtu.be/DF02xWgkAJ0?t=246

        He's a Chinese-Canadian who visited Xinjiang recently. I take it you're basing a lot of your claims on your experience living in Western China. How long ago was this and in what area? Are you currently living there right now?