Not gonna look for articles if you call me a dipshit, dipshit.
There was talk from the FDA that they were going to effectively cancel third stage testing, to get vaccines out on time. That didn't happen. If one of the promising vaccines didn't have patients with unexplained illnesses, they might have.
I haven't been keeping track of the vaccines lately, as in, in the last month. If it goes through the trials, I'll take it. But if it looks like they removed some important steps to get it to market faster, I won't.
Knowing we're probably not engaging in good faith is enough for me to not want to put in the effort to engage in good faith. Looking up articles and research studies takes times.
This also creates an unspoken assumption that the vaccine is safe unless proven otherwise. Onus is on me to prove they're, maybe not even skipping steps, I never even said they were, as I won't know until a vaccine hits the market, but considering skipping steps.
Onus isn't on you to prove that an emergency authorization of vaccine use isn't removing any important steps regarding health and safety.
Therefore I get to do the effort and you get to shoot holes in it.
I don't like those terms.
The FDA already floated the idea of bringing vaccines to the market without completing third phase trials. Then, shortly after, patients in two studies, Astra Zeneca and Johnson & Johnson, started developing unexplained symptoms. That's enough for me to be uncomfortable.
This also creates an unspoken assumption that the vaccine is safe unless proven otherwise.
Pretty much, yeah, as it should be. I trust those who develop and research and test vaccines to do it properly because there are already quite extreme rules and regulations surrounding that entire process intended to make the outcomes safe. If you want to start sowing distrust in the process which makes vaccines safe, you'll need to show some goddamn evidence.
I mean you won't actually, because I'm already being downvoted here for taking a pro-vaccine stance, so you antivax weirdos are apparently taking over. We're fucked.
Yep, the same rigorous process that all vaccines go through before they are released. The same rigorous process the covid19 vaccines are going through. That's why when the vaccine is released, we can be reasonably sure it will be safe. Thank you for agreeing with me and giving up your antivax bullshit.
Wow scary, i guess the case is closed, covid vaccines are untrustworthy form here on out
A substance isn’t automatically safe because it calls itself a vaccine.
Right. A vaccine is safe when it is proven to be safe through testing. Which is what's going on right now. Or are you just going to pretend they're not doing any testing?
People are concerned that the three companies in a trenchcoat we call the US will put out a rushed, ineffective vaccine to get all us working pigs back into the pens faster. A pretty reasonable concern for anyone who's read a history book. You decided to take that and twist it into "anti-vax".
Do you get into a lot of arguments everywhere you go?
That's not evidence anything changed, that's just Trump yelling at the sky demanding that a vaccine rains down. unless you can show any evidence this has actually compromised the process of developing a vaccine, it's just a bullshit excuse to raise distrust about vaccines
there is a reason that no one is trying to give you any fucking vaccines yet. because they're not ready. because as the scientists say, developing a vaccine is tricky and takes time.
you're trying to tell me that the vaccine being ready right now means that it's untrustworthy ... while the vaccine isn't ready yet. what the fuck kind of logic is that?
What specific amount of time needs to pass before you, almighty sage of infinite wisdom, deem the vaccine ready? And why do you know better than the people actually working on and testing the vaccine? If you don't trust the people developing the vaccine to test it properly before releasing it, what would another year do? I highly doubt that your stance would be any different if we were currently in November 2021 rather than 2020.
But the problem is that you fundamentally lack trust in the people developing and researching and testing vaccines. Why does an extra year among untrustworthy people who don't do their jobs properly make it any safer?
I don't buy it. Either you're not thinking through your own logic or you're intentionally lying to advance antivax bullshit.
alright dipshit show the evidence
Not gonna look for articles if you call me a dipshit, dipshit.
There was talk from the FDA that they were going to effectively cancel third stage testing, to get vaccines out on time. That didn't happen. If one of the promising vaccines didn't have patients with unexplained illnesses, they might have.
I haven't been keeping track of the vaccines lately, as in, in the last month. If it goes through the trials, I'll take it. But if it looks like they removed some important steps to get it to market faster, I won't.
Simple as that.
thats a cop-out
Knowing we're probably not engaging in good faith is enough for me to not want to put in the effort to engage in good faith. Looking up articles and research studies takes times.
This also creates an unspoken assumption that the vaccine is safe unless proven otherwise. Onus is on me to prove they're, maybe not even skipping steps, I never even said they were, as I won't know until a vaccine hits the market, but considering skipping steps.
Onus isn't on you to prove that an emergency authorization of vaccine use isn't removing any important steps regarding health and safety.
Therefore I get to do the effort and you get to shoot holes in it.
I don't like those terms.
The FDA already floated the idea of bringing vaccines to the market without completing third phase trials. Then, shortly after, patients in two studies, Astra Zeneca and Johnson & Johnson, started developing unexplained symptoms. That's enough for me to be uncomfortable.
But you do you.
Pretty much, yeah, as it should be. I trust those who develop and research and test vaccines to do it properly because there are already quite extreme rules and regulations surrounding that entire process intended to make the outcomes safe. If you want to start sowing distrust in the process which makes vaccines safe, you'll need to show some goddamn evidence.
I mean you won't actually, because I'm already being downvoted here for taking a pro-vaccine stance, so you antivax weirdos are apparently taking over. We're fucked.
AGAIN, A VACCINE ISN'T SAFE BECAUSE IT'S A VACCINE.
IT'S SAFE BECAUSE IT WENT THROUGH A RIGOROUS PROCESS.
Yep, the same rigorous process that all vaccines go through before they are released. The same rigorous process the covid19 vaccines are going through. That's why when the vaccine is released, we can be reasonably sure it will be safe. Thank you for agreeing with me and giving up your antivax bullshit.
FDA head considered ending phase three trials early and rolling out vaccines ahead of time under emergency use authorization.
This was before two studies were halted due to unexplained illness.
Of one of the studies that was halted, AZD1222, there's still controversy amongst scientists that it restarted prematurely.
A substance isn't automatically safe because it calls itself a vaccine.
Wow scary, i guess the case is closed, covid vaccines are untrustworthy form here on out
Right. A vaccine is safe when it is proven to be safe through testing. Which is what's going on right now. Or are you just going to pretend they're not doing any testing?
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Nice strawman, dumbfuck.
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At no point in your whining redditor posts did you mention the proletariat or bourgeoisie. Yes, we are indeed fucked thanks to liberalism!
You're being downvoted for being a rude cunt.
calling out antivax bullshit as antivax bullshit is not rude
People are concerned that the three companies in a trenchcoat we call the US will put out a rushed, ineffective vaccine to get all us working pigs back into the pens faster. A pretty reasonable concern for anyone who's read a history book. You decided to take that and twist it into "anti-vax".
Do you get into a lot of arguments everywhere you go?
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That's not evidence anything changed, that's just Trump yelling at the sky demanding that a vaccine rains down. unless you can show any evidence this has actually compromised the process of developing a vaccine, it's just a bullshit excuse to raise distrust about vaccines
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there is a reason that no one is trying to give you any fucking vaccines yet. because they're not ready. because as the scientists say, developing a vaccine is tricky and takes time.
you're trying to tell me that the vaccine being ready right now means that it's untrustworthy ... while the vaccine isn't ready yet. what the fuck kind of logic is that?
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What specific amount of time needs to pass before you, almighty sage of infinite wisdom, deem the vaccine ready? And why do you know better than the people actually working on and testing the vaccine? If you don't trust the people developing the vaccine to test it properly before releasing it, what would another year do? I highly doubt that your stance would be any different if we were currently in November 2021 rather than 2020.
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But the problem is that you fundamentally lack trust in the people developing and researching and testing vaccines. Why does an extra year among untrustworthy people who don't do their jobs properly make it any safer?
I don't buy it. Either you're not thinking through your own logic or you're intentionally lying to advance antivax bullshit.