don't know if it's just this page or if the whole domain is banned
thanks, it was a pasta I appropriated. I've updated it with the ibtimes link as another comment suggested and so far it looks like that isn't getting filtered
Is IBTimes.co.uk blocked on Reddit? That's the original source of the article:
https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/tiananmen-square-massacre-myth-all-were-remembering-are-british-lies-1451053
I would assume this is sitewide banned on reddit. The whole site does conspiracy stuff with a bunch of leftist things mixed in, it's weird and authors are generally entirely made up doctors and researchers. Strange one, legitimately part of some op I think but for what country is anyone's guess.
yeah, I'm up to speed now. thankfully it was rehosted from a better site originally
It's a real weird site this one. I see it really frequently and don't know what to make of whoever is running it. Seems to show up so consistently it has to be someone's op.
Older generations were fed the same lies we are now but it worked on them. From everything on Stalin to the "inner cities", this CIA bullshit has never stopped. At some point one can only blame the material conditions so much for past generations believing these blatant and outlandish lies, then one must question if they saw the spotty evidence, the particular timing, and the bias of interests of the sources and compared the narrative to their own interests or if it's really all just the bourgeois being 100x more effective than they are now. Another point, almost everyone like us from those generations are either imprisoned, living in Cuba, or is dead and those that are left are the ones who weren't like us, who liked, tolerated, or ignored capitalism. Might explain their attitudes toward us and their attitudes for both Trump and Biden. Food for thought.
The ‘no massacre’ crowd is a bit overzealous.
There was a crackdown—it didn’t, however, occur at Tiananmen Square like some of the more colourful sources claim. Rather, it was around the city, and the country generally. The square itself was evacuated.
There were also attacks from those protesting, with petrol bombs. You can find similarly gruesome photos of burnt soldiers strung up.
If you want a fairly non-partisan account, I’d suggest the documentary The Gate of Heavenly Peace. It’s both banned in China and sued by the protesters, so it’s pissed off both sides.
Otherwise, Qiao Collective has a shorter take that’s fairly sanguine.
Basically, June 4th is complex, and a contradictory mess of rapid economic liberalisation, opposition to that liberalisation, support for further economic and political liberalisation, foreign influence stoking the flames, power struggles both within the party and generationally, and heavy doses of revisionist history and unreliable narrators.
It was deeply unfortunate, and a result of material conditions and individual choices at the time, but it doesn’t define modern China any more than the excesses and atrocities of the USSR, Cuba, or even the Paris Commune, define them.
there are photos of people literally run over by tanks
Lol no. You get run over by cop cars in America because they don't care about you, but in China tanks stop because of one guy because they do care.
I don't know anything about dead bicyclists. The only people who died outside of the square were counter-revolutionaries lynching PLA soldiers and poor PLA soldiers themselves.
The context is that there was an attempted color revolution in Beijing that day. Armed rebels battled the PLA. The lowest estimates for deaths is around ~200, which includes Chinese soldiers and most likely several collateral deaths as well. Images of a few dead people are to be expected, and you can't really tell from most images whether the dead were innocent bystander or combatants. The hoax is that the PLA opened fire on the thousands of unarmed demonstrators in the square. The truth is it emptied peacefully (there is even video of this happening) and the deaths all occurred elsewhere throughout Beijing.
The first one looks like a place bodies were brought to. It's surrounded by other people, so it was probably by a medic station. The second looks like either explosives or someone who got run over.
No one's saying that there wasn't conflict on that day, but the magnitude and scale of the conflict are in question. Was it thousands ground to a pulp and carried away in drmptrucks? Or was it a few hundred victims of sectarian conflict either on a side or collateral damage during the engagement.
I don't see people being disposed of like garbage in those images, just injured/dead people being looked after and taken care of in the way you usually do after conflict.
