• Awoo [she/her]
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    1 year ago

    The US military did a test with something like 20 soldiers where they had to avoid detection by autonomous systems designed to detect humans.

    Every single one of the soldiers used a different method and every single one of them succeeded in not getting killed by the system. Tactics varied from moving extremely slowly in prone position to literally metal gear solid hiding inside a cardboard box, one soldier covered themselves in tinfoil.

    These will be no different. Easily defeatable simply by behaving in ways that are outside its detection, or not looking like a human being.

    • TraschcanOfIdeology [they/them, comrade/them]
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      1 year ago

      From a technical point of view, it's easier to point a gun and shoot at whatever enters your detection range if you don't have to distinguish whether it's a human or not.

      • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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        1 year ago

        Good thing for the South Korean military that birds, animals, and leaves blowing on the wind don't exist.

        • SacredExcrement [any, comrade/them]
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          1 year ago

          In the event this happens, critical support to North Korea using a big fan and a trillion leaves to get the South Korean military to waste thousands of rounds of ammo on nothing

    • SacredExcrement [any, comrade/them]
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      1 year ago

      Didn't one of them also hold a bunch of tree limbs and similar nonsense?

      Not hard to avoid if you know what it is and have any sort of frontal lobe

      • Awoo [she/her]
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        1 year ago

        Maybe! I don't remember them all or exactly where I read about it. Just really stuck with me that defeating this shit is really just a matter of doing whatever the devs have not planned for and that's gonna be a lot.

  • Infamousblt [any]
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    1 year ago

    Seems silly of them considering how prolific North Korean hackers are, at least according to Western media. They'll just pass their silly hacking mini game and turn the turrets on South Korea

  • Frogmanfromlake [none/use name]
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    1 year ago

    I've heard from a lot of NATO leftists that China should be more like South Korea. People who say that only get their knowledge of that country from Kpop and Kdramas.

    • GreatWhiteNope [she/her]
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      1 year ago

      I feel like I get most of my knowledge of South Korea from Kpop, and that alone is enough to see how dystopian it is.

      Idols are dehumanized and treated as commodities. They’re overworked, starved, and heavily scrutinized starting at a very young age all while being separated from their family. Many trainees also can’t quit because they will owe a debt to the company for their training. Even trainees who debut don’t get paid until they pay the company back for their training.

      I understand no one is forced to be an idol and it’s actually mostly made up of kids from wealthy families, but it’s still a brutal industry. When even the glamorous celebrities are worked to the bone, life must be so much harder for everyone else.

    • Tachanka [comrade/them]
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      1 year ago

      People who say that only get their knowledge of that country from Kpop and Kdramas.

      reactionary industries which are hubs of human trafficking and SA btw. great place to get your knowledge and respect for a whole country from

  • loathesome dongeater@lemmygrad.ml
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    1 year ago

    Tangential question. What do Americans think of their soldiers being in Korea and Vietnam? Does it strike as odd to the median American? These two countries posed no direct threat to the USA.

    • emizeko [they/them]
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      1 year ago

      What do Americans think of their soldiers being in Korea

      they don't, it's completely left out of most American education. if it's there it is a brief one-sentence mention

      • tactical_trans_karen [she/her, comrade/them]
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        1 year ago

        Americans and think don't go well in the same sentence. We tend to only think of the world as America, and everywhere else. I still catch myself doing it sometimes, America is a hell of a drug.

      • Dudewitbow@lemmy.ml
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        1 year ago

        Yall got some sus education if you only had a single sentence about both the Korean and Vietnam war, and its not like I went to a rich school either (far from it)

        • emizeko [they/them]
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          1 year ago

          was only talking about Korea, at school (not university/college education). sure maybe it was enough to be a paragraph but I doubt it.

          • Dudewitbow@lemmy.ml
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            1 year ago

            Im talking in terms of high school, albeit I took AP history, but its not like they dont teach about Vietnam and Korea in school, at least in my own experience.

            • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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              1 year ago

              I took AP US History and did pretty well in it and, well, the Korean war was mentioned but it was discussed almost not at all. Vietnam was mostly discussed in relation to the domestic reaction to it with the media coverage, as well as some discussion of "Domino Theory". Even My Lai hardly got mentioned.

            • emizeko [they/them]
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              1 year ago

              you're probably right that I overstated my case and exaggerated a bit but what was taught a couple decades ago was thin and pretty dire

              • charlie
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                1 year ago

                Nah, you’re exactly right. And I’m tired of people coming into these threads saying “my bare bones high school level ap course covered this because I recognize the topic you’re saying.”

                If you think that’s true, go read a bunch of actual history books and see how complete you think that education still is.

              • Dudewitbow@lemmy.ml
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                1 year ago

                If i had to say what they dont teach very much, it would be asian and african history before the 1500s for the most part, unless they had interacted with european settlers at some point in history.

                • boboblaw [he/him, they/them]
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                  1 year ago

                  Ironically I went to a good high school and we did cover that, but when it came to relatively recent US history, the curriculum was spotty and superficial. I got the sense that teachers wanted to avoid controversial topics and debates.

                  It's like with ancient African/Asian/American empires, you have a certain psychological distance and can discuss it casually. With recent American history, especially when the history curriculum is necessarily half economics, it can get "controversial". And I'm sure there was more one "gifted" kid aching to do the bit from Good Will Hunting...

            • SacredExcrement [any, comrade/them]
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              1 year ago

              It varies; I took AP history, but we only covered history up to WWII really. We had like 2 weeks dedicated to post-war, and never even really made it to anything about the Korean War

    • DayOfDoom [any, any]
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      1 year ago

      I do the same shit with Canadians about us having soldiers in Saudi Arabia, Africa, etc. They don't care and seek to justify it totally and immediately.

      • loathesome dongeater@lemmygrad.ml
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        1 year ago

        I actually was in Canada for a bit and the impression that I got was that of a sense of banality where people did not know how buddy-buddy Canada has been with the US.

        I was not "political" at that point. But the people I knew used to believe that Canada was similar to the US but with the "derangement" separated from the substance.

        • o_d [he/him]@lemmygrad.ml
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          1 year ago

          Canada is just the USA with a roughly 10 year policy lag and none of the global geopolitical power. Most Canadians see this and develop a superiority complex. They think "at least it's not as bad up here" or "at least we're not as brutal as them". Class consciousness and worker solidarity is basically non-existent. We're truly a puppet state.

    • ClimateChangeAnxiety [he/him, they/them]
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      1 year ago

      By the end of Vietnam most Americans were solidly against it, and I believe “Vietnam was a mistake” has broadly been the belief since then, but mostly because it got American soldiers killed, not because of the horrors they committed.

      • GriffithDidNothingWrong [comrade/them]
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        1 year ago

        People opposed the draft. Vietnam itself didn't see much more opposition than any other conflict America decided to stick its nose into, they just didn't like the idea that they or their family members might be expected to go fight in it

        • combat_brandonism [they/them]
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          1 year ago

          Vietnam itself didn't see much more opposition than any other conflict America decided to stick its nose into

          except by the conscripts, who first made the ground war untenable by organizing and direct action and then made the air war untenable by organizing and direct action

    • Dudewitbow@lemmy.ml
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      1 year ago

      In terms of vietnam, at the start, americans were mostly neutral, didnt think strongly of it. Towards the end many americans were heavily against the war. Regardless, having a bias as I would be a child coming from families directly affected by the war, the U.S granted many people from affected countries immigration rights to come to the U.S. mainly Vietnam. Laos and Cambodia (and especially cambodia given how Polpot took it a step further in the wrong direction).

    • theother2020 [comrade/them, she/her]
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      1 year ago

      1) The median American’s default is simply 🇺🇸 👍

      2) The (bipartisan!) think tank version is: the U.S. is the world’s police and that’s a Good Thing because we have Good Intentions (™, ™)

      3) For the most part, the question is not asked outside of explicitly leftist circles

  • 2Password2Remember [he/him]
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    1 year ago

    south Korea is one of the few countries on earth that seems like they'd be worse to live in, from a "hope for the future" point of view, than the US

    Death to America

      • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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        1 year ago

        Materially worse to live in

        Though they do have single payer universal Healthcare so... idk.

      • 小莱卡@lemmygrad.ml
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        1 year ago

        Eh idk even if the US completely left, the decades of draconian anti-communism and persecution have an impact.

        • Redcuban1959 [any]
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          1 year ago

          I think most people in both Koreas still want to reunify as a single nation. Idk how their political system would work though, and Japan wouldn't be happy about it.

        • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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          1 year ago

          It's not like it would be as simple as SK requesting annexation by the DPRK, but there are matters other than popular perception of liberalism vs socialism to consider.

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    9 months ago

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  • Utter_Karate [he/him, comrade/them]
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    1 year ago

    South Korea is a cyberpunk dystopia

    Can't speak about the channel in general, and there is no mention of the north, but this is a pretty short summation of South Korean society that does not hold back. I guess CW since it will probably make you sad, but it is also kind of mesmerizing how bad it can get.

  • fuckmyphonefuckingsu [comrade/them]
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    1 year ago

    the existence of a shoot-on-sight no-go zone several kilometers wide opens up options for some interesting hardware.

    mondays

    • TraschcanOfIdeology [they/them, comrade/them]
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      1 year ago

      This is the mindset of terminally STEM-brained people. I had to unlearn so much of that "this is very interesting problem when seen in isolation, i don't need to think about anything else" after leaving engineering school.

      • Tachanka [comrade/them]
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        1 year ago

        "this is very interesting problem when seen in isolation, i don't need to think about anything else"

        load-bearing fascist ideology

      • SnAgCu [he/him, any]
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        1 year ago

        One time we had a guest lecturer come in who'd done a lot of work for the US Navy and NATO

        Somebody asked about the ethics of building weapons for the US and he said "Well, the way I see it there are bad guys out in the world, and we have to protect the innocent people from them." I probably turned 30% communister that day

        • TraschcanOfIdeology [they/them, comrade/them]
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          1 year ago

          "Well, the way I see it there are bad guys out in the world, and we have to protect the innocent people from them.

          How kind of him to design the weapons we will use to get rid of capitalists.

      • JuneFall [none/use name]
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        1 year ago

        I had a group project and the engineer in our group said: "Without the slur users the system would be working perfectly!"

        Did I mention it was a project for human machine interfaces and we were also graded on user friendlyness?

      • GaveUp [she/her]
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        1 year ago

        I genuinely consider studying CS and being entrenched in the culture and ideological framework that comes with it harmful brain development

  • kristina [she/her]
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    1 year ago

    imagining a future where this gets artillery striked, gets buried in mud, and is unearthed by some farmer who is then shot ruthlessly and so is everyone else that comes looking for him

    it appears that it comes in a version that has a battery, so waiting for some DPRK soldiers in Fursuits sneaking up to it and turning it around and running off like road runner