okay but when I see prison camps for 'radical muslims' my first thought isn't "well all right then, carry on.". the CIA are lying liars who lie, and will say whatever best suits their interests at the moment, but that is, on rare occasion, the truth. find one mediocre source, and I'd believe the PRC was pulling this shit.
its just important to remember that the americans are doing it too. there are no good states here.
Like determining if China is good or bad would be a binary decision between absolute good/absolute bad.
It is a bit of a simple analysis of the situation, especially coming from a leftist.
No I get it, I'm just saying that supporting China is kinda important if you don't want to come off as a bougie utopian Marxist.
They're a materialist worker's state that's actually trying to be as non-imperial as possible. They exist in the real world, so they will have to solve real problems and solving a problem is never as pretty as the diagram for solving the problem.
This was more of a dig at utopianism than anything, critical support for China is fine. Just don't go around saying "WELL ACTUALLY THEY'RE IMPERIALIST TOO" because it accomplishes nothing but allowing sinophobia to fester and shutting down discussion on why they're doing what they're doing.
The conversation about China's economic policy can be interesting. Especially discussing if the market liberalisation to strafe crippling sanctions was a good plan. If their self-reliance model works in the modern world. How their foreign investment model differes from neo-liberal imperialist models. Etc.
This specific situation just seems to be overplayed and blown out of proportion.
Sorry I worded it badly, I :100-com: % agree with you, China is mostly good, is not engaging in imperialism(just ie listen to what Varoufakis said concerning concessions made by China buying parts of infrastructure in Greece, compared to western investors - like guaranteeing standing contracts with workers and such) .
I have issues with some things, like concerning the workplace.
With regards to opening up for foreign investment while keeping control of those formed enterprises and thereof resulting intellectual property and technology.
If you think about it, it was a very smart way to industrialize the country in record speed and increase living conditions all around in unseen proportions.
Honestly, it is pretty marvelous, and any leftist should at the least critically support the Chinese.
Absolutely. China is a miraculous state. They learned from all the USSRs mistakes and not only persisted in a hostile world, but thrived. I feel that their position also allowed for the continuation of socialist/communist experiments in the region as well. Vietnam, Laos, and the DPRK would have been sanctioned to death without China being a buffer state between them and the imperialists.
I legit think that China is in the best position to actually rid the world of capitalism. Or at least passively support places that decide to try locally. They won't sanction revolutionary states like everyone else.
the ccp is bad and the world would be better off without it.
the american empire is bad and the world would be better off without it.
id be happy to see both burn; to see so many people liberated.
Didn't China officially release footage of "vocational centres for deradicalisation"?
Yeah, and that's exactly what it is. It's to stop radical terrorists.
Which situation is more ethical to you:
Yes neither is ideal especially with the exact way China are doing that education, but it's a fuck of a lot better than the alternative.
May I remind everyone the US has already bombed Uyghurs, not in China obviously, but in Afghanistan.
okay but when I see prison camps for 'radical muslims' my first thought isn't "well all right then, carry on.". the CIA are lying liars who lie, and will say whatever best suits their interests at the moment, but that is, on rare occasion, the truth. find one mediocre source, and I'd believe the PRC was pulling this shit.
its just important to remember that the americans are doing it too. there are no good states here.
There definitely are better states. The US is obviously the worst.
"Actually nothing good exists. All existing things are bad and wrong. In order to be good, it has to not exist."
-utopianists
Like determining if China is good or bad would be a binary decision between absolute good/absolute bad.
It is a bit of a simple analysis of the situation, especially coming from a leftist.
No I get it, I'm just saying that supporting China is kinda important if you don't want to come off as a bougie utopian Marxist.
They're a materialist worker's state that's actually trying to be as non-imperial as possible. They exist in the real world, so they will have to solve real problems and solving a problem is never as pretty as the diagram for solving the problem.
This was more of a dig at utopianism than anything, critical support for China is fine. Just don't go around saying "WELL ACTUALLY THEY'RE IMPERIALIST TOO" because it accomplishes nothing but allowing sinophobia to fester and shutting down discussion on why they're doing what they're doing.
The conversation about China's economic policy can be interesting. Especially discussing if the market liberalisation to strafe crippling sanctions was a good plan. If their self-reliance model works in the modern world. How their foreign investment model differes from neo-liberal imperialist models. Etc.
This specific situation just seems to be overplayed and blown out of proportion.
Sorry I worded it badly, I :100-com: % agree with you, China is mostly good, is not engaging in imperialism(just ie listen to what Varoufakis said concerning concessions made by China buying parts of infrastructure in Greece, compared to western investors - like guaranteeing standing contracts with workers and such) .
I have issues with some things, like concerning the workplace.
With regards to opening up for foreign investment while keeping control of those formed enterprises and thereof resulting intellectual property and technology.
If you think about it, it was a very smart way to industrialize the country in record speed and increase living conditions all around in unseen proportions.
Honestly, it is pretty marvelous, and any leftist should at the least critically support the Chinese.
Absolutely. China is a miraculous state. They learned from all the USSRs mistakes and not only persisted in a hostile world, but thrived. I feel that their position also allowed for the continuation of socialist/communist experiments in the region as well. Vietnam, Laos, and the DPRK would have been sanctioned to death without China being a buffer state between them and the imperialists.
I legit think that China is in the best position to actually rid the world of capitalism. Or at least passively support places that decide to try locally. They won't sanction revolutionary states like everyone else.
the ccp is bad and the world would be better off without it. the american empire is bad and the world would be better off without it. id be happy to see both burn; to see so many people liberated.