You're correct. All they did is take 300 million rural peasant farmers who live off the grid, stuck them in factories, gave them a meager stipend (hey, they technically were earning ZERO before that), and used this as justification to say "brought 300M out of poverty".
800m and guess what in my 3rd world coutnry id fucking love to have the majority of the people go from being literally the wrecthed of the earth to office workers whose domestic consumption is the largest in the world and shit in a generation lol
yeah im a victim of not wanting to see my neighbors die of prevetnable disease, window dressing fuck off lol
i want my community to be better, i want peoples needs to be met and their leisure to be greater, not to project dead russian thinkers from a centrury ago
if you find a way to both im on board, but i care about material reality, not fantasy
well im not going to completely sign off on that, i mean the farmers didnt really live off the grid either they had shitty feudal lords and stuff. im not a maoist either, but life in china definitely improved for a lot of people after his revolution.
I mean, if "80 hours a week of hard labor to funnel 99% of revenue into the top 0.1% of capitalists" is your kind of revolution, well we'll agree to disagree.
President Xi just this year jailed a billionaire for 18 years for mouthing off online lol
Dictatorship of the proletariat & mass line are both alive and well within PRC, you're just not going to admit that they're doing far better than the US at both capitalism & socialism lmfao
The fact that billionaires exist at all should be a bigger point of contention for you. But if one ritual sacrifice is enough to keep you glommed on to their team, have at it, Capitalist 2.0.
State capitalism is the initial stage of socialism
The lower stage is born from the womb of capitalism and has all its birthmarks... that's literally what Marx wrote
If a country and a People had to pass some dupe's purity tests online, then I think the revolution & any workable alternative would've been snuffed out long ago
State capitalism is the initial stage of socialism
The lower stage is born from the womb of capitalism and has all its birthmarks… that’s literally what Marx wrote
I really struggle to grapple with how many self-avowwed "leftists" don't understand this.
Marx said that socialism would arise out of capitalism. So if you think Marx is right then state capitalism and later socialism are not at all mutually exclusive. State capitalism might not be pretty, but it sure seems to beat the shit out of every other type of awful capitalism thats been tried so far.
plus it's the only legitimate way that workers can both feed themselves & engage in productive organized activity while also creating the surpluses needed to rail against their class enemies
if we had a way to "Vajrayana" lightning strike our way to FALGSC, I think the thing would've already happened lol
you are a reactionary for thinking that PRC has to abide by some abstract set of "traditional" principles that really only exist inside your mind, not in the real world
there are material conditions that have to be considered, and 1 billion+ people have to wake up and eat every day
without state capitalism, PRC would still be a feudal backwater and without socialism it would still be an imperialistic or client state mess
if you don't want to give credit for the fastest growing & most quickly advancing economic system in history, fine. but don't try to label it something it's not
that's just your brand of cope, not anything to do with reality
if were being accelerationist ok lol, but then you cant really credit the ccp for that cause theyre literally just following the easiest and inevitable course of things that makes their elites money in the short term
no, their elites play by the rules & color within the lines or they get executed
Billionaires do not get executed in the West & are the crux upon which the entire system relies in the West
In PRC, billionaires are jailed for the slightest offense... that's literally dictatorship of the proletariat
We are still in the stage of class struggle, and China can't just invent the "communism button" and have it built just so for all naysayers to spit out their cereal, you're acting childish
how can making literally a billion dollars in unpaid wages of the working class be anything other than an offense to the proletariat. if thats within the lines then fuck the lines. inequality in china is pretty similar to the us right now. and its going up. why would a dictatorship of the proletariat allow this?
They could super easily stop sending police to enforce things like rent, coercing people into working their life away.
yeah i mean its absolutely not lol, im just objecting to what youre saying about the farmers. but i do agree with the point that yeah more money on paper isnt neccesarily better.
You're correct. All they did is take 300 million rural peasant farmers who live off the grid, stuck them in factories, gave them a meager stipend (hey, they technically were earning ZERO before that), and used this as justification to say "brought 300M out of poverty".
800m and guess what in my 3rd world coutnry id fucking love to have the majority of the people go from being literally the wrecthed of the earth to office workers whose domestic consumption is the largest in the world and shit in a generation lol
Well yeah. This is exactly what I mean. You're a victim to the window dressing.
yeah im a victim of not wanting to see my neighbors die of prevetnable disease, window dressing fuck off lol
i want my community to be better, i want peoples needs to be met and their leisure to be greater, not to project dead russian thinkers from a centrury ago
if you find a way to both im on board, but i care about material reality, not fantasy
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thanks i didnt know about that
well im not going to completely sign off on that, i mean the farmers didnt really live off the grid either they had shitty feudal lords and stuff. im not a maoist either, but life in china definitely improved for a lot of people after his revolution.
I mean, if "80 hours a week of hard labor to funnel 99% of revenue into the top 0.1% of capitalists" is your kind of revolution, well we'll agree to disagree.
billionaires get executed in PRC
President Xi just this year jailed a billionaire for 18 years for mouthing off online lol
Dictatorship of the proletariat & mass line are both alive and well within PRC, you're just not going to admit that they're doing far better than the US at both capitalism & socialism lmfao
The fact that billionaires exist at all should be a bigger point of contention for you. But if one ritual sacrifice is enough to keep you glommed on to their team, have at it, Capitalist 2.0.
State capitalism is the initial stage of socialism
The lower stage is born from the womb of capitalism and has all its birthmarks... that's literally what Marx wrote
If a country and a People had to pass some dupe's purity tests online, then I think the revolution & any workable alternative would've been snuffed out long ago
I really struggle to grapple with how many self-avowwed "leftists" don't understand this.
Marx said that socialism would arise out of capitalism. So if you think Marx is right then state capitalism and later socialism are not at all mutually exclusive. State capitalism might not be pretty, but it sure seems to beat the shit out of every other type of awful capitalism thats been tried so far.
plus it's the only legitimate way that workers can both feed themselves & engage in productive organized activity while also creating the surpluses needed to rail against their class enemies
if we had a way to "Vajrayana" lightning strike our way to FALGSC, I think the thing would've already happened lol
At the end of the day, you're trusting one set of autocrats over another. I get it. The collapse of Western hegemony is well past due.
I just think you're falling for the feel-good reactionary alternative in doing so.
wrong again
there is such thing as social necessity
you are a reactionary for thinking that PRC has to abide by some abstract set of "traditional" principles that really only exist inside your mind, not in the real world
there are material conditions that have to be considered, and 1 billion+ people have to wake up and eat every day
without state capitalism, PRC would still be a feudal backwater and without socialism it would still be an imperialistic or client state mess
if you don't want to give credit for the fastest growing & most quickly advancing economic system in history, fine. but don't try to label it something it's not
that's just your brand of cope, not anything to do with reality
doing better at capitalism and socialism lol. talk about a galaxy brain
PRC is the only major country growing at the moment
so, yes
It's not the CPC's fault that you haven't read Marx
if were being accelerationist ok lol, but then you cant really credit the ccp for that cause theyre literally just following the easiest and inevitable course of things that makes their elites money in the short term
no, their elites play by the rules & color within the lines or they get executed
Billionaires do not get executed in the West & are the crux upon which the entire system relies in the West
In PRC, billionaires are jailed for the slightest offense... that's literally dictatorship of the proletariat
We are still in the stage of class struggle, and China can't just invent the "communism button" and have it built just so for all naysayers to spit out their cereal, you're acting childish
how can making literally a billion dollars in unpaid wages of the working class be anything other than an offense to the proletariat. if thats within the lines then fuck the lines. inequality in china is pretty similar to the us right now. and its going up. why would a dictatorship of the proletariat allow this?
They could super easily stop sending police to enforce things like rent, coercing people into working their life away.
you're not listening lol
the "historical period of socialism" is fraught with the choices between a "capitalist-road" and there is still "the danger of capitalist restoration"
there are still classes, class contradictions, and class struggle
Mao literally writes all of this, and says that this phase covers a "considerably long historical period"
nothing about what you've written means that state capitalism isn't the first step in the initial stage of socialism, lol
damn youre right its not communism a claim nobdoy has made class hant been abolished youre so smart wowow
yeah i mean its absolutely not lol, im just objecting to what youre saying about the farmers. but i do agree with the point that yeah more money on paper isnt neccesarily better.