At least online, anonymity plays a part, but the discussions seem to have a lot of masculine energy to them. Is it maybe also like music, chess, or comedy where socialization plays a role in the male dominance?

I remember 60% of Bernie's constituency was female, but it doesn't seem to translate online. How can we work to attract more women to the movement?

          • the_river_cass [she/her]
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            4 years ago

            ugh, I was typing a reply to you and @TG_TrashGirl when I got some weird harassment and she'd deleted her account by the time I got back to finish writing... uuurggggh, we've gotta stop this bleeding or we're all just going to get fed up and leave...

              • the_river_cass [she/her]
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                4 years ago

                this week... my inbox has been obnoxious for almost a full week now. I can't even link half the horrible shit cause it's targeted and creepy af or so bigoted it'll trigger a bunch of unsuspecting people. I know it's mostly the crowd we shooed back to stupidpol and their friends but there's enough bullshit here to go around without them. so yeah, very, very frustrated, even though I'm extremely glad the bans happened.

                  • the_river_cass [she/her]
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                    4 years ago

                    you too :af-heart:. I keep going cause I want this to be a space for all of us and I'm so angry and sad that it continuously falls short.

    • Pezevenk [he/him]
      1·
      4 years ago

      Maybe op is being downvoted because it's not the left in general, it's pretty much this sub.

        • Pezevenk [he/him]
          2·
          4 years ago

          Even in the body it says "the movement" which seems to imply this place is "the movement"? Idk it's kind of a weird post. There are very few women HERE, it's a problem of this sub, not the movement or the left in general.

            • Pezevenk [he/him]
              4·
              4 years ago

              It's not really a semantics issue. And I really think people gotta stop making a big fuss about their interpretations of downvotes.

              • the_river_cass [she/her]
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                4 years ago

                hey, people get really worked up about this stuff because it's triggering and because it's something we have to fight constantly. please, please, please don't tell people what to make a fuss about... the comment has a long, misogynist history in the anglo world.

                • Pezevenk [he/him]
                  1·
                  4 years ago

                  Users being upset about a general culture that doesn’t care about them is about their experience. It’s not about “dogpileing on them”

                  You don't think it happens online at all? Because I've seen it happen so much and it's just bad. It feels like everyone is out to get everyone else at its worst and it's gotten worse with covid. I think I'm gonna leave this place and social media as a whole for a while because the lockdown thing has made me spend a lot of time that I shouldn't be spending online because most people are either miserable or trying to make others miserable and it's making me feel like shit too by osmosis. I don't want to be the reason someone deletes their account. If saying something like what I said affects someone so much even after attempting to explain myself then I really don't wanna stick around and be the reason this happens again.

                  It's not just this issue either. A while ago some user was upset because I posted a joke attacking the target of their post and they misinterpreted it as an attack on their post itself, and because apparently I had said something negative against one of the other (completely irrelevant) post they recently made, they thought I had a personal grudge against them and I was going around attacking them. It's like it's 100 times harder to communicate anything properly, and everyone is already either pissed, tense or depressed so any misstep from anyone leads to shit flinging in the best case, or really depressing shit that hurts people in the worst case and I don't want more of that. May this pandemic end so that we can return to talking to people and organising irl, achieving fucking anything at all, and reaching some kind of understanding. I miss it and it's been months since I had meaningful human contact and this is not a substitute, this is worse than being alone.

                  So yeah bye I guess.

                • Pezevenk [he/him]
                  1·
                  4 years ago

                  Like, I literally made a big struggle session post about that same issue more than a month ago, before this shit started, just leaving it here before someone starts accusing me of not wanting this conversation to happen or whatever: https://hexbear.net/post/55018

                • Pezevenk [he/him]
                  3·
                  4 years ago

                  Ummm no? I think people have to stop the dumb downvote thing, I didn't object to this kind of conversation. Another thing people have to stop is twisting what others are saying.