I have only seen national DSA leadership oppose the idea or turn it into a personality contest with Jimmy Dore.

How is that democratic at all?! They are openly contradicting the democratically-decided party line…

What an absolutely shit organization.

Here's the quote:

2019 presents a unique opportunity for the Democratic Socialists for Medicare for All campaign: to be a key player in pushing HR 1384, the Expanded and Improved Medicare for All Act, to a vote in the House of Representatives. DSA is not alone in this work. National Nurses United, along with nearly 30 other national and local unions and progressive organizations are coordinating to take advantage of this moment. Since Bernie Sanders’ presidential run in 2016, single-payer advocates have been successfully turning Medicare for All into a litmus test for politicians. A floor vote in the House will force representatives to finally reveal whether they’re on the side of healthcare profiteers or the side of the working class.

  • longhorn617 [any]
    4·
    4 years ago

    Lmao, make up your fucking mind. Do you want to force M4A through the government or not? How infested are you with brainworms? You aren't going to organize anything close to a movement on that Slack. Now you are somehow planning on getting M4A passed without Joe Biden signing it. Amazing

    The channel, maybe. It depends on how people to continue to utilize it. I’ve made some pretty useful political connections in this channel I plan to keep.

    Careerist Alert

    • PhaseFour [he/him]
      2·
      4 years ago

      Lmao, make up your fucking mind. Do you want to force M4A through the government or not?

      I want to work with people who are struggling for the progressive issue of getting people health care during a pandemic.

      I do not expect this strategy will succeed. I don't expect health care will be guaranteed to people until there is a socialist revolution here.

      I didn't expect the Bernie campaign would get him elected. I didn't expect the BLM protests to overthrow the police states across this country. I engaged with these struggle to meet progressive-minded people, and guide them towards political strategies which have been proven to work.

      Careerist Alert

      I don't get paid for this shit you fucking dweeb. I work full-time. If building political power is too "careerist" for you, stop positioning yourself as someone worth working with. Just admit Left-wing politics is a counter-culture for you.

      • longhorn617 [any]
        2·
        4 years ago

        I want to work with people who are struggling for the progressive issue of getting people health care during a pandemic.

        Well then you should go work with some labor organizers, because you aren't going to meet anyone who can actually achieve anything on on that Slack, just more posters.

        I don't expect health care will be guaranteed to people until there is a socialist revolution here.

        Lmao, yeah, because all of the social democratic countries that have actual universal healthcare had successful socialist revolutions. This is sentence is truly emblematic of the problems with this movement. You literally romaticize and dream of defeat before you have even started the task. Truly the mark of a rudderless "movement" of posters.

        I don't get paid for this shit you fucking dweeb. I work full-time. If building political power is too "careerist" for you, stop positioning yourself as someone worth working with.

        "Excuse me, dont't get mad at me that I'm networking on Slack instead of doing something useful."

        Just admit Left-wing politics is a counter-culture for you.

        Please, tell me more about how you romanticize the defeat of this movement, and tellme again which of us views this as a cultural engagement.

        • PhaseFour [he/him]
          2·
          4 years ago

          Well then you should go work with some labor organizers

          I am. Both before and after this issue.

          you aren’t going to meet anyone who can actually achieve anything on on that Slack

          There are literal union organizers on the Slack lol

          I don't understand your desire to infantilize people trying to advocate for health care in a pandemic.

          Lmao, yeah, because all of the social democratic countries that have actual universal healthcare had successful socialist revolutions.

          They had successful socialist revolutions within 500 miles of their borders. If Mexico and Canada become the next Soviet bloc, I'll revise my statement.

          Excuse me, dont’t get mad at me that I’m networking on Slack instead of doing something useful

          Coordinating with progressive-minded people is actually not useful. Again, this isn't a counter-culture.

          • longhorn617 [any]
            1·
            4 years ago

            There are literal union organizers on the Slack lol

            Oh damn, y'all got the Burgerville guys?

            They had successful socialist revolutions within 500 miles of their borders. If Mexico and Canada become the next Soviet bloc, I’ll revise my statement.

            I'm looking on a map, but I can't seem to find the socialist revolution that happened withing 500 miles of the 90% of Canadians that live withing 100 miles of the US border. Was there one in Greenland? I guess that would explain how Iceland has universal healthcare as well. Ireland and the UK are coming up a bit tricky to explain, though.

            Coordinating with people more interested in drama than organizing is actually not useful. Again, this isn’t a counter-culture.

            There it is, now you got it.

            • PhaseFour [he/him]
              2·
              4 years ago

              Oh damn, y’all got the Burgerville guys?

              Condescending to workers is always the end-game for Liberals 🤡

              • longhorn617 [any]
                4·
                4 years ago

                Lol more bad faith argumentation from the #ForcetheVote crowd, who are unwilling to admit they have no power and no actual plan to build it.

                • PhaseFour [he/him]
                  2·
                  4 years ago

                  Oh damn, y’all got the Burgerville guys?

                  more bad faith argumentation

                  Ah yes, I'm the one acting in bad faith lol

                  You have been a condescending prick this entire thread.

                  You hate the unruly masses desperately trying to get basic access to health care during a pandemic. That has been your response to every comment. You will just condescend to these people. They are just a "crowd" with "no actual plan."

                  It's crazy how the right-wing jobs against Bernie now get regurgitated uncritically. It is astounding to see.

                  • longhorn617 [any]
                    2·
                    4 years ago

                    You have literally been condescending to every person in this thread who dares point out how this strategy is empty liberalism, and you deserve nothing but condescendion in return.

                    You hate the unruly masses desperately trying to get basic access to health care during a pandemic.

                    No, I hate college educated liberals like you, who are more interested in pumping up their followers on Twitter and showing how revolutionary you are through the discourse than actually doing anything to actually build power. Because you just want to post on the fucking internet about how revolutionary you are and yell at anyone who dares point our the most obvious flaws in your "plans", material circumstances be damned! You and the libs like you couldn't organize a fucking bake sale. That's why you can't get the working class to buy into any of your horrible strategies: you are incapable of delivering even the meagerest of material victories for them, so instead you set your eyes on goals you openly tell them are unachievable, and expect them to show up with you and bask in beautiful defeat.