Let me let you in on a little secret. It’s not any different what people learn in state schools(I’m speaking of broad undergraduate programs). What is different, is access to connections for some prestigious internship that only rich people can afford.
I went to an ivy league school, I can promise you there are just as many dumbfucks there as there are everywhere else. They are not smart as a rule, but wealthy.
Same, I go to one of "more left" ivys. The amount amount of Hayek reading dipshits I've had to deal with is crazy. My YDSA chapter is bigger than the campus dems and Republicans though and we've gotten a tuition strike gaining steam and students for justice in Palestine got a bds vote to pass the student government last year.
I will say though that I did not have the experience of disinterested professors. Busy definitely, but I also had super kind profs that hate the admin as much as anyone and want to help the grad students unionize, and were super responsive to helping students if the class wasn't too big. Big school though, definitely neoliberal ghouls all over the place I just didn't take classes with them.
I'd also say though that the instruction quality and rigor were higher than the some of the state schools from conversations I had with transfer students. There was also just a much wider selection of niche courses to take.
I transferred from a top 100 to a top 10 US university two years back, and I can say this with authority: there is hardly a meaningful difference in the effectiveness of the two schools in terms of education. The teachers at the top 10 are maybe 'smarter', in the sense that they are generally more involved in the research of their field, but they are also way busier and have little interest in helping students. The students are way more careerist and grade-grubby, which creates a somewhat hostile dynamic between faculty and undergrads. You have access to more potential research work, but it is also bottlenecked by the fact that there are so many more students chomping at the bit to do their own research. In terms of prestige and career opportunities, there is a pretty big difference, but that's not exactly what you're signing up for.
There are exceptions. In the case of places like MIT and CalTech, you also have access to technology you won't have at a state school. Even as an undergrad.
There's just so much research going on at these schools that you can get your feet wet before you have to decide on a graduate degree. That can be incredibly rewarding.
But yeah, for the most part you're getting connections by going to "elite" schools. Especially Ivy League schools.
Let me let you in on a little secret. It’s not any different what people learn in state schools(I’m speaking of broad undergraduate programs). What is different, is access to connections for some prestigious internship that only rich people can afford.
Not only is this very true, but the people who do the programs are also no smarter
I went to an ivy league school, I can promise you there are just as many dumbfucks there as there are everywhere else. They are not smart as a rule, but wealthy.
You went to an ivy league school and you hang out with all of us yelling "CUM CUM CUM PEEPEEPOOPOO PIGPOOPBALLS"
I don't know why but it makes me feel warm inside.
you fuckin know it :heart-sickle:
Same, I go to one of "more left" ivys. The amount amount of Hayek reading dipshits I've had to deal with is crazy. My YDSA chapter is bigger than the campus dems and Republicans though and we've gotten a tuition strike gaining steam and students for justice in Palestine got a bds vote to pass the student government last year.
I will say though that I did not have the experience of disinterested professors. Busy definitely, but I also had super kind profs that hate the admin as much as anyone and want to help the grad students unionize, and were super responsive to helping students if the class wasn't too big. Big school though, definitely neoliberal ghouls all over the place I just didn't take classes with them.
I'd also say though that the instruction quality and rigor were higher than the some of the state schools from conversations I had with transfer students. There was also just a much wider selection of niche courses to take.
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I transferred from a top 100 to a top 10 US university two years back, and I can say this with authority: there is hardly a meaningful difference in the effectiveness of the two schools in terms of education. The teachers at the top 10 are maybe 'smarter', in the sense that they are generally more involved in the research of their field, but they are also way busier and have little interest in helping students. The students are way more careerist and grade-grubby, which creates a somewhat hostile dynamic between faculty and undergrads. You have access to more potential research work, but it is also bottlenecked by the fact that there are so many more students chomping at the bit to do their own research. In terms of prestige and career opportunities, there is a pretty big difference, but that's not exactly what you're signing up for.
This 1,000% this.
There are exceptions. In the case of places like MIT and CalTech, you also have access to technology you won't have at a state school. Even as an undergrad.
There's just so much research going on at these schools that you can get your feet wet before you have to decide on a graduate degree. That can be incredibly rewarding.
But yeah, for the most part you're getting connections by going to "elite" schools. Especially Ivy League schools.