HOT TAKE! It can't be both.

NephewAlphaBravo phrased this better than I did.

Inviting libs means inviting a constant stream of new users’ shitty takes. “Place where we constantly rehash this shit with libs” is in direct tension with “place where trans users can just chill and not have to rehash this shit”

I'm not trying to say "a good lib-to-left pipeline community means we shouldn't fight transphobia".

I'm saying we should decide if we want to clap up all Transphobia and protect our feelings, or engage with people that might only have a few brain worms and sort them out in order to grow a larger community.

Ban trenched in transphobes. Acknowledge that being transphobic is the default in 2021 and many people who identify as leftist probably have some transphobic views. Last year I didn't like neo-pronouns and I quickly had my mind changed. A few years ago I agreed with Obama when he said BLM were thugs. Is this supposed to be a community where people like me can come to learn and be radicalized?

  • TheDeed [he/him, comrade/them]
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    4 years ago

    I hate this post. I can’t downvote you and move on so I’ll explain why.

    It can be both. Imagine the question: “Can this be a safe space for PoC and still be a lib to left pipeline?” you’d be literally advocating for open racism so that the libs can learn.

    Similarly we don’t have to tolerate open transphobia. It’s simple. Educate people but also don’t allow open hostility and bigotry.

    • QuillQuote [they/them]
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      4 years ago

      I hate this post. I can’t downvote you and move on so I’ll explain why.

      This was my argument for why to remove downvotes :yes-comm: :mao-shining:

    • Spinoza [any]
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      4 years ago

      Educate people but also don’t allow open hostility and bigotry.

      you can explain to transphobes all you want, but let's not pretend we're educating them. if we want a safe space, we have to come down hard on them, and that doesn't make them like us or want to listen to us. i think it's better that way

      if you wanna be a lib whisperer, you have to put up with liberalism and all the reactionary elements therein, and i think our userbase has made it pretty clear that we don't want that here. we can go to twitter or something for that