• RussianEngineer [she/her]
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    4 years ago

    the T-34-85 is a beautiful thing, and it rarely broke down unlike the panzers germany kept making using tractor transmissions

    • Torenico [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      T-34 is a war winning tank, but it had it's fair share of problems. It wasn't the most reliable thing on the battlefield, it broke down with some frequency (Particularly the first models, which tbh were not that great but a number of issues were ironed out once the Soviets gained enough experience in battle with them) but it perfectly fits the nature of the war against the Nazis. The thing is, the T-34 never had to be the most reliable vehicle around, the Soviets knew this; they needed tons of tanks and reliability was not their primary concern, what they needed was a combat-capable vehicle with enough firepower and mobility to defeat the German's big cats, if they broke down (or if they were knocked out) you can literally replace it with a new one almost instantly because the Soviet industry was incredibly well organized for mass production.

      Meanwhile the Germans were designing decent tanks but completely missing the point of the war, the idiots were coming up with heavier designs which were incredibly hard to manufacture, hard to maintain, hard to keep supplied and if they suffered damage (which often did) either it took a long time to repair them or the vehicle couldn't be recovered at all. The US, Britain and the USSR built weapons of all kinds to win the war, the Germans well.. I think they wanted to flex how "cool" their weapons were? Overhyped, most of them.

      • GrouchyGrouse [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        The German tanks were also built by teams, not by assembly line. It was distilled kraut arrogance that they thought artisan tank manufacturing could keep up with the war they were waging.

        • Torenico [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          It's insane to think that the Nazis awarded contracts to Ferdinand Porsche, they designed zero good tanks during the war, zero.

          The Porsche Tiger (Also known as VK 45.01) was an absolute disaster, the tank itself was incredibly complicated to build; it used an expensive petrol-electric drive, which was "innovative" for a tank of it's time but totally not suitable for use in a combat vehicle particularly because it required a lot of maintenance and drank fuel like a motherfucker, it broke down a lot as well. For some reason, Porsche was so insanely proud of his tank that he ordered a batch of them to be produced BEFORE the actual contract was given to either him or his competitor, Henschel. At the end, Henschel got awarded the contract of the Tiger tank we're all familiar with, Porsche produced only one full "Tiger (P)" which served as a command vehicle and was lost in mid 1944 and the remaining chassis were converted into assault guns/tank destroyers, the "Ferdinand". And oh boy, was that an absolute disaster as well. These tanks saw action in Kursk, good high performance 88mm gun capable of dealing with any Soviet armor of that time and the frontal armor of 200mm was thick enough to protect it from most weapons, but it was unreliable as fuck, some of these vehicles even caught fire when they were trying to go uphill, it was that bad. It was provided with no machinegun for close defense so the Soviet infantry rolled up on them and blew them up as they wanted, with the crew firing with their personal weapons from the cannon itself. The remaining tanks (some of which were lost and couldn't be recovered because it was insanely heavy) were sent back to Germany, fitted with extra armor (The tank was already overweight and the suspension was under extreme pressure), a mechinegun, renamed and sent to... Italy, you know, hills, bad terrain for tanks.. it was common to see these tanks ditched on the side of the roads before they could even see action.

          Then Porsche designed the Maus, because you know, a tank of 190 tons with insane maintenance costs was the future! Somehow he got awarded the contract, beating Henschel's E-100 design, and produced two vehicles, one of which was never completed. The tank was so stupidly heavy it couldn't cross most bridges found in Europe at that time, so technically any natural barrier would pose a significant threat to the vehicle. It was the only tank whose serial production was halted by the Allied Bombings. At the end of the war it is said that one Maus fought the Soviets at Kummersdorf, near Berlin in April 1945, but this claim is heavily disputed. It is known that both prototypes drove to their destination, V1 didn't have a turret and V2 was fully armed. If it ever engaged the Soviets, it is unknown, what is known is that V2 was blown up by the Germans to avoid capture and V1 was not so extensively damaged. After the war, the Soviets combined the hull of the V1 with the turret of the V2 and shipped it to the USSR, conducted several tests on it and decided it was completely useless, now it's on display at the Kubinka Tank Museum as some sort of cool war prize (A place I want to visit like right now). Also the Germans painted a hammer and sickle on the Maus while conducting testing, they wanted to "fool" the Allied Intelligence by making them believe this was actually a captured Soviet tank... lmao.

          Porsche should probably stick to race cars tbh.

      • RussianEngineer [she/her]
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        4 years ago

        You are correct. I understand the T-34 series of tanks didn't come without flaws, but you have to admit they look pretty.

  • TankieTanuki [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    You know what's also neat? Nuclear submarines. Stick just one kilogram of uranium inside one and it can run for a hundred years without refueling (except for food and stuff).

  • deshara218 [any]
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    4 years ago

    i was in a popular (non-reactionary, it became a gateway to lb) gaming fb group once that had a member that would off-topic post about tanks bc he thought tanks were cool and wanted to talk about how well engineered they were. Do I need to tell you that the only tanks he wanted to talk about how amazing and good and cool they were were nazi tanks? He wouldn't post or comment about anything else. It took, like, four years for him to get kicked. Used to annoy me so much that he pretended it was completely a-political and I was apparently the only one who saw thru it. I used to antagonize him by replying with soviet tanks & it annoyed him

  • xXSWCC_DaddyYOLOXx [she/her]
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    4 years ago

    Anyone remember when that British general shit his pants after seeing a column of new Soviet tanks in the victory parade in Berlin?

  • bockwad [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    https://youtu.be/N6xLMUifbxQ

    Someone posted this video the other day, it’s pretty neat. He talks about how the different powers in wwii approached tank making and what things they put their effort into.

    The talk doesn’t start until 20 minutes in or so.

  • D61 [any]
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    4 years ago

    Awww.. look at that little cutie!