I have no doubt that any MLs here are pretty based, I don’t think anyone needs to prove anything to me, but I’m curious as to why you think Marxist-Leninism is the best way forward towards liberating the working class. Personally, I lean more towards authoritorian tendencies I just don’t think anything other than anarchism is a viable path forward and I think all the theory and history I’ve read tracks with that.analysis. I suppose you could call me socially ML but fiscally anarchist, lol.

      • crime [she/her, any]
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        4 years ago

        What's dumping on anarchists about "I haven't seen any anarchist plan to solve this problem, or any anarchist group do this successfully at scale"? If you have counterpoints bring them up, don't just complain that criticisms of anarchism are mean

        • Spinoza [any]
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          4 years ago

          you could always just leave out these parts:

          I’ve yet to see that happen through anarchism.

          ...and I've yet to see how anarchists plan to handle that besides hoping they’ll realize the error of their ways.

          since they don't really add anything to your point anyway

          • crime [she/her, any]
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            4 years ago

            That's not even my post, it's just not mean spirited and the OP of the thread is directly comparing anarchism with MLism, and it's a huge pet peeve of mine when any critique of an ideology is met with "but you could just not critique :angery:"

            • Spinoza [any]
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              4 years ago

              yeah fair enough, i didn't mean to jump on you. i think maybe for us it doesn't always feel something like that is being said in good faith and it can be hard to tell

            • existentialspicerack [she/her,they/them]
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              4 years ago

              totally but this wasn't a critique, it was 'why is x good' 'because y is bad' which is usually a tell that the person in question doesn't actually know any virtues of x, whether they exist or not.

          • crime [she/her, any]
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            4 years ago

            Saying you take issue with certain aspects of anarchism isn't the same thing as telling anarchists they suck. If you can't respond to criticisms of your ideology without taking it personally or using it as an opportunity to educate, how do you expect other people to take it seriously?

            No one was saying kill the anarchists, I've never seen anyone say kill the anarchists even on more ML-heavy and less left-unity boards than this one. Seriously how did you get "I haven't heard an anarchist plan for this problem I am concerned about" with "kill all the anarchists"?

            • TreadOnMe [none/use name]
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              4 years ago

              Because they (this specific poster) tend to call out sectarianism even before it occurs on a thread and they believe that it is a good use of their time.

            • existentialspicerack [she/her,they/them]
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              4 years ago

              im not saying don't criticize.

              im saying "is it possible to say why you're good without dumping on anyone else?" because if not, you maybe have a problem.

              I've seen "kill the anarchists" said pretty frequently, it's just removed by mods pretty quick so you don't see it unless it shows up in your replies.

              • crime [she/her, any]
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                4 years ago

                If you're doing a direct comparison, like the prompt in the post, it's worth mentioning why you prefer one ideology to another yes.

                  • crime [she/her, any]
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                    4 years ago

                    I don't think we're ever going to reach a point of agreement that saying "I haven't seen an anarchist plan for this problem I am concerned about, and anarchists have not achieved revolution at scale" is "dumping on anarchists" because it really just reads as mild materially-based critique to me.

                    And thank u uwu

            • existentialspicerack [she/her,they/them]
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              4 years ago

              i know less about spain than ukraine, but anarchist projects have existed and been stable until the communists stabbed them in the back. you are our libs.

              but also, say why you're good without mentioning why anyone else sucks. I want to see if you can.

        • existentialspicerack [she/her,they/them]
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          4 years ago

          oh, got it. you might wnat to mention other shit so it doesn't seem so hostile and sectarian. the amount of 'kill anarchists' i see from a particular brand of stupid ml is... a lot. and there's no superficial way to tell who's who. sorry for the hair trigger.

            • existentialspicerack [she/her,they/them]
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              4 years ago

              i report pretty often, and you are better about removing it than a lot of places .it just gets under one's skin after while, because you're human and finite and have human reaction times. it feels like I can't avoid summoning a swarm if I say the C word along with anything less than glowing praise and appropriated nationalistic fervor.

              also, in part because you're good at removing it, i often here people deny that it happens. which is frustrating as fuck.