Every time Elon Musk pokes fun at government assistance for the 99%, remember that he would be worth nothing without $4.9 billion in corporate welfare. Oh, Elon just l-o-v-e-s corporate socialism for himself, rugged capitalism for everyone else. https://t.co/rj8FgwEDMQ pic.twitter.com/bxHcXul925— Bernie Sanders (@BernieSanders) August 7, 2020
What? Ask someone in the third world, "would you like to be exploited a bit less or a bit more?" and I have a sneaking suspicion what answer they might give.
This is the most privedged perspective imaginable.
it just exports more of its suffering
Was in his comment, and It matters quite a bit because if that were the case there would be a moral argument against social democracy. If that is not the case, why would we not want a fairer distribution of resources within a state?
I also think it is reasonable to say that imperialism is inevitable at some point, but I think that internal pressure (ie anti-war movements) can have an effect on the ability of a state to carry out imperialism, which could have an effect on the ability of third world anti imperialist movements to fight back.
What is bruh? Or is bruh your argument for everything less than the cultural revolution is a waste of time despite? Is bruh your argument against west murdering fewer people being objectively good?
There is no class consciousness because we live in a hyper individualistic society, everything is centered around an individual - and that individuals employment status.
Social Democracy can enhance class consciousness because when it suddenly becomes widely accepted that "yes we will tax the wealth out of the billionaire class and use that to improve the lives of the working class", the lines are drawn on class. At the very least you have a much more egalitarian society.
It's basically a domino effect at that point, so long as there is a cohesive movement to ensure movement away from concentrated power (capital). This makes a democratic transition into socialism easier. The only alternative I see are various forms of accellerationism which is unnecessary IMO.
Regarding exploiting the poor in other countries, and extending imperialism.... there is little/no evidence this is the case under today's - or most past Social Democracies. Sure you had some outliers but that's true of all political philosophies.
There is an argument to be made that social democracies are too reliant on the capitalist frameworks they are built on, but that doesn't mean they NEED to be necessarily.
EDIT: As a current example, AOC is largely called a SocDem by leftists but she says things like this to liberals and they eat it up:
"Billionaires need the working class.
The working class does not need billionaires."
~ https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1292155096923504640
Not if you do it in a way that centers around class consciousness and re-distributive policies.
Nah it still depends on the exploitation of the proletariat just like every form of capitalism does, it just exports more of its suffering
Exports it to where? Are you suggesting that social democracies exploit the third world more? What evidence do you have for that?
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What? Ask someone in the third world, "would you like to be exploited a bit less or a bit more?" and I have a sneaking suspicion what answer they might give.
This is the most privedged perspective imaginable.
I also think it is reasonable to say that imperialism is inevitable at some point, but I think that internal pressure (ie anti-war movements) can have an effect on the ability of a state to carry out imperialism, which could have an effect on the ability of third world anti imperialist movements to fight back.
Bruh
What is bruh? Or is bruh your argument for everything less than the cultural revolution is a waste of time despite? Is bruh your argument against west murdering fewer people being objectively good?
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There is no class consciousness because we live in a hyper individualistic society, everything is centered around an individual - and that individuals employment status.
Social Democracy can enhance class consciousness because when it suddenly becomes widely accepted that "yes we will tax the wealth out of the billionaire class and use that to improve the lives of the working class", the lines are drawn on class. At the very least you have a much more egalitarian society.
It's basically a domino effect at that point, so long as there is a cohesive movement to ensure movement away from concentrated power (capital). This makes a democratic transition into socialism easier. The only alternative I see are various forms of accellerationism which is unnecessary IMO.
Regarding exploiting the poor in other countries, and extending imperialism.... there is little/no evidence this is the case under today's - or most past Social Democracies. Sure you had some outliers but that's true of all political philosophies.
There is an argument to be made that social democracies are too reliant on the capitalist frameworks they are built on, but that doesn't mean they NEED to be necessarily.
EDIT: As a current example, AOC is largely called a SocDem by leftists but she says things like this to liberals and they eat it up: "Billionaires need the working class. The working class does not need billionaires." ~ https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1292155096923504640
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