• Gr8M8 [he/him]
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    I wish he could have been so openly contemptuous of Biden. Or any of the other primary candidates, really.

    • evilgiraffemonkey [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Yeah, it's not like he has that many years left, might as well go out swinging imo

    • theChariot [any]
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      4 years ago

      punished bernie: a man denied his nomination

  • wombat [none/use name]
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    4 years ago

    social democracy is objectively the moderate wing of fascism

    • heqt1c [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Not if you do it in a way that centers around class consciousness and re-distributive policies.

      • ElGosso [he/him]
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        Nah it still depends on the exploitation of the proletariat just like every form of capitalism does, it just exports more of its suffering

        • Chomsky [comrade/them]
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          Exports it to where? Are you suggesting that social democracies exploit the third world more? What evidence do you have for that?

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              What? Ask someone in the third world, "would you like to be exploited a bit less or a bit more?" and I have a sneaking suspicion what answer they might give.

              This is the most privedged perspective imaginable.

            • Chomsky [comrade/them]
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              it just exports more of its suffering Was in his comment, and It matters quite a bit because if that were the case there would be a moral argument against social democracy. If that is not the case, why would we not want a fairer distribution of resources within a state?

              I also think it is reasonable to say that imperialism is inevitable at some point, but I think that internal pressure (ie anti-war movements) can have an effect on the ability of a state to carry out imperialism, which could have an effect on the ability of third world anti imperialist movements to fight back.

              • ComradeSankara [he/him]
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                I also think it is reasonable to say that imperialism is inevitable at some point

                Bruh

                • Chomsky [comrade/them]
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                  What is bruh? Or is bruh your argument for everything less than the cultural revolution is a waste of time despite? Is bruh your argument against west murdering fewer people being objectively good?

        • heqt1c [he/him]
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          There is no class consciousness because we live in a hyper individualistic society, everything is centered around an individual - and that individuals employment status.

          Social Democracy can enhance class consciousness because when it suddenly becomes widely accepted that "yes we will tax the wealth out of the billionaire class and use that to improve the lives of the working class", the lines are drawn on class. At the very least you have a much more egalitarian society.

          It's basically a domino effect at that point, so long as there is a cohesive movement to ensure movement away from concentrated power (capital). This makes a democratic transition into socialism easier. The only alternative I see are various forms of accellerationism which is unnecessary IMO.

          Regarding exploiting the poor in other countries, and extending imperialism.... there is little/no evidence this is the case under today's - or most past Social Democracies. Sure you had some outliers but that's true of all political philosophies.

          There is an argument to be made that social democracies are too reliant on the capitalist frameworks they are built on, but that doesn't mean they NEED to be necessarily.

          EDIT: As a current example, AOC is largely called a SocDem by leftists but she says things like this to liberals and they eat it up: "Billionaires need the working class. The working class does not need billionaires." ~ https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1292155096923504640

  • Divine_Chaos100 [none/use name]
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    Every time Elon Musk pokes fun at government assistance for the 99%, remember that he would be worth nothing without $4.9 billion in corporate welfare. Oh, Elon just l-o-v-e-s corporate socialism for himself, rugged capitalism for everyone else. Vote for Joe Biden tho.

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    4 years ago

    On a recent Trash Future episode they said that Tesla is only profitable because its competitors buy cars or maybe just carbon credits or something so they can keep their fleet's carbon footprint below a certain threshold while still producing more polluting shit.

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      see more in this Forbes article

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      Several U.S. states and countries have Zero Emissions Vehicle regulations that require that clean vehicles account for a certain mix of auto manufacturers’ sales each year. If automotive companies, which still largely sell internal combustion engine-based vehicles, don’t meet these standards, they can buy credits from the likes of Tesla that earn credits, as they only sell electric vehicles. Although the revenues from these credits are quite volatile they are very lucrative for Tesla, as it likely incurs no direct costs to earn them.

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    bernie "no refunds" sanders
    bernie "the 3 houses socialist" sanders
    bernie "bomb yugoslavia" sanders

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        well since 4chan joked about it i guess it's okay to steal money from desperate people, dupe them into working for your campaign, and then immediately fold to a senile segregationist rapist. in fact, it's woke!

    • heqt1c [he/him]
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      I just donated another $4.20 to Bernie's insurrection of the dem party.

    • naples_ape [he/him]
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      bernie “bomb yugoslavia” sanders

      Apparently a controversial topic in leftists spaces, but that was very much needed.

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          Also tell me a bit more about the KLA being badically nazis. Imma need a source on that.

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          Love 1 million people getting deported out of their homes and 8000 civilians killed and 20000 women getting raped. Nothing should've been done there obv.

          Now ifyou wanna talk about how they did it, fine, it could've been done differently. But that shit had to stop.