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  • emizeko [they/them]
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    4 years ago

    the Southern government was somewhat more democratic

    lmao sure, that's why they had mass killings of leftists that were covered up for decades

  • IdiotDoomPoster [she/her]
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    4 years ago

    Historical inaccuracies aside, history should be taught in reverse order. Start with current events and teach why that happened. Then why that. On and on down the chain of causal events.

    • ultraviolet [she/her]
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      4 years ago

      Yes but if they did that people would be more likely to question US and western imperialism and the rulers don't want that.

  • Blurst_Of_Times [he/him,they/them]
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    4 years ago

    Hey remember when WW2 just happened, and then we beat the nazis and japan all by ourselves and everything was fine forever?

  • jkeyc [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    In High School we were debating if the bombings of Hiroshima/Nagasaki were justified (they absolutely weren't) and the main argument that they were justified was that the IJA would never stop the war unless they'd done that, which is a bullshit argument to defend one of the worst atrocities of war ever committed, but whatever. Anyways, as the debate continued, one kid said "I think we should have bombed the ch*nks even if they would've stopped," and that was the exact moment that I realized that my hometown was super racist.

    • kronkfresh [none/use name]
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      4 years ago

      Once the axis powers fell how the fuck would Japan have "continued to wage war". I'm not an expert by any means but that line seems to only fly if you rely on the same chud logic about all west Asians being terrorists and zealots. Like they're off on an island bro were they just going to suicide their whole country into california?????

      • jkeyc [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        It was one hundred percent chud logic about all west asians being terrorists and zealots. People in that class acted like IJA soldiers were robots who would commit suicide if they sneezed.

      • GrouchyGrouse [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        We had the Japanese home islands completely blockaded. Their greatest battleship was sunk during a Kamikaze attack on that blockading armada. They were out of options, they were out of oil, they were out of manufacturing. It was just a matter of time, but the US didn't want the Soviets getting involved so we incinerated tens of thousands of civilians and poisoned a whole generation more to demonstrate the girth of our Armydick.

        • volkvulture [none/use name]
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          4 years ago

          the surrender of Japan had much more to do with USSR's invasion of Manchuria & Korean peninsula

          Japan's fascist imperialist extraction of raw materials & industrial capacity from Korea & Manchuria was the only thing keeping them afloat... and once USSR broke the 1941 Soviet-Japanese neutrality agreement in early August 1945, the Japanese had no bargaining chip & had to sue for peace with the US

          • GrouchyGrouse [he/him]
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            4 years ago

            Reading about the Soviet invasion of Manchuria is breathtaking. They absolutely steamrolled them. The Red Army in 1945 was an absolute beast. RIP.

            • volkvulture [none/use name]
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              4 years ago

              what's crazy is Richard Sorge was the original James Bond and no one gives Soviets credit for having the sexiest & most chad spies : (

                • volkvulture [none/use name]
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                  4 years ago

                  dude literally was cucking this Nazi guy, and the Nazi himself tolerated it because Sorge was such a charmer & good source of info on Japan... all the while Sorge was fooling everyone and this info between Japan & Nazis was going directly to the Soviets lmfao. Sorge supposedly even predicted the date of Barbarossa invasion but was ignored for reasons that have to do with Sorge's personal involvement with Trotskyists

                  "That Sorge was fluent in Japanese further enhanced his status as a Japanologist...[27] Meanwhile, Sorge befriended General Eugen Ott, the German military attaché to Japan and seduced his wife, Helma Ott... Ott now aware that Sorge was sleeping with his wife, let his friend Sorge have "free run of the embassy night and day", as one German diplomat later recalled.[33] Ott tolerated Sorge's affair with his wife on the grounds that Sorge was such a charismatic man that women always fell in love with him and so it was only natural that Sorge would sleep with his wife.[34] Ott liked to call Sorge Richard der Unwiderstehliche ("Richard the Irresistible"), as his charm made him very attractive to women."

                  • kronkfresh [none/use name]
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                    4 years ago

                    Hahaha based, this is going into the copypasta file for when I encounter nazis. Rofl imagine being Ott

  • dolphinhuffer [comrade/them]
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    4 years ago

    Due to Capitalism, the overwhelming majority of public school history texts are printed in single editions for the entire country. This means the two biggest buyers, California and Texas, need to agree on what's in them. This means that these texts will remain debased ideological fluff for the foreseeable future.

  • EthicalHumanMeat [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    The Southern regime was a military dictatorship and the North didn't "invade" the South because you can't invade your own country.

      • EthicalHumanMeat [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        I don't think that would qualify as an invasion either. But either way, it's a little different because the South (US) wanted to form a separate new country, whereas both Korean governments were fighting over the same nation and territory, which they were all native to.

        A lot of the people who would later found the DPRK were driven away from the Southern part of Korea by the US and their puppet regime. The PRK government that was originally formed in Seoul after WWII, by representatives of the majority of the Korean people, only saw a direct continuation in the DPRK, and its supporters were forced out by the AmeriKKKans. They were just taking it back. Like, did the Soviets "invade" the territories they retook in Russia during Barbarossa?

  • BigLadKarlLiebknecht [he/him, comrade/them]
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    4 years ago

    At my wife’s public school, they put Columbus on trial for genocide each year. Also, for a distance learning project this year students had to name a monument they wanted torn down and then propose an alternative monument that they had to build in Minecraft. Highlights included monuments to the Black Panthers, the Farm Workers Movement and Palestinian Liberation. Students at times have taken to organizing walkout protests against rule changes, and won concessions. Good praxis all round!

  • LangdonAlger [any]
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    4 years ago

    even for well meaning teachers who want to give a more holistic view of the Korean War, it's especially hard to get more info than that without a deep dive.

  • 420sixtynine [any,comrade/them]
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    4 years ago

    My history teachers ran the gamut from neo-confederate who's class I dropped immediately and who's classroom was literally wall to wall confederate posters. I also had a based teacher (who I know now is a communist) who taught us things like guns, germs, and steel, but he added supplemental videos about how advanced the non western civilizations actually were and did point out that it was a bit reductive and shifted the well deserved blame off of the Europeans. He also shut down the "but Africans sold each other first" argument when it was brought up by explaining how Europe created power imbalances and destabilized Africa first and also explained the difference between slavery and chattel slavery and just how much worse it was. He also gave people a warning bc y'know it can be pretty traumatizing but he went into detail on just how bad things were for slaves in the US. He also put emphasis on just how recent it was. Cool dude, very much not the norm where I'm from

  • Elecdim00 [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Any good resources for learning more about the norths motivations?