If you think the earth is dying because poor people are having too many babies, that's about three logical steps away from ecofascism.

  • TheCaconym [any]
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    4 years ago

    My understanding has always been that we overproduce a ridiculous amount of food

    We manage to do that only thanks to fossil fuels and mass fertilizer production - both of which we need to stop. Without fossil fuels, without huge factories filled with Haber–Bosch reaction chambers, right now we can't produce enough food. Perhaps alternative approaches such as labour intensive, decentralized mass permaculture could work though (but definitely not on a planet where warming exceeds, say, 3C and possibly less - and that's a level of warming we will reach).

      • TheCaconym [any]
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        4 years ago

        Plus, fossil fuel use is probably going to continue for a while “after socialism” anyway

        It cannot. All fossil fuel use should have been stopped years ago.

        But moreover, nowhere in my comment did I suggest killing anyone, and I even suggested possible avenues for solution.

        My own mindset though is that based on climate publications these past few years we're completely fucked anyway; have kids, don't, do what makes you happy at this point. Maybe they'll even survive to live in the apocalyptic hell-hole that will precede human extinction, and find a measure of happiness there. Enjoy the time you have left in any case.

          • TheCaconym [any]
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            4 years ago

            No worries, I understand completely - like 90% of the time when someone talks about overpopulation in that context they're a fucking ecofascist, so it's easy enough to jump on that conclusion.

        • an_engel_on_earth [he/him, they/them]
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          4 years ago

          this is like the one topic where people here are okay with completely misrepresenting what the other side says. Like of course overpopulation is in many cases a supposedly empirical justification for ecofascism. And yes overconsumption and waste are def larger problems in terms of priority. But it's wild how he thought he had to state "But killing huge swathes of people for the sake of the planet should be off the table pretty much no matter what." Like holy shit what?? No duh sherlock. P sure not promoting indiscriminate killings is like the bare minimum of being a leftist. Idk very uncharitable to say the least