• _else [she/her,they/them]
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        4 years ago

        its conflating an ethnic group with a terrorist organization, but could you have the zionist terror forces with their pretentions of an (ashkenazi specifically it looks like) theocratic ethnostate without, you know, the nazis and everything the zionists learned from daddy hitler?

          • _else [she/her,they/them]
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            4 years ago

            its absolutely a theocratic ethnostate.

            and one racist terror org doesn't reflect on people of the race that populate it elsewhere; like the KKK doesn't reflect poorly on europeans, and white south africans carry their own racism with no help from our hooded locals. like; elon musk's crazy weird racism bullshit isn't something you even remotely connect with the KKK, as an example.

            but, the palestinian jews (who were already there before the zionists started their european colonizer shit, and god how awkward and fucky must THAT have been!) are never the ones I see when I see an "israeli" functionary. when I see someone going into/out of an "israeli" consulate, or see an "israeli" celebrity. I'm thinking maybe they might have an internal racism problem. maybe it's just reporting, but I've never seen an arab israeli who looked like they weren't taking the shit end of that society, and I've heard more than one horror story.

            which is to say that I don't think they're the power behind the state. they existed there just fine before the zionist terror forces came over from europe, with no particular antagonism towards, or hard identity delineations from, their neighbors (on the population scale obvs). and they don't seem to be particularly prosperous right now. those who had intermarried with other palestinian families must have suffered the loss of loved ones over the course of the genocide, and I can't imagine that would have gone over quite so smoothe if they'd had a voice in government.

            but my understanding is admittedly incomplete. maybe they're totally integrated and complicit and there's no class divide. IDK; all the sources claim to be "israeli" which means not worth the bits they'd occupy in RAM while I read them.

              • _else [she/her,they/them]
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                4 years ago

                also, blurring your ethnicity to be an ethnostate doesn't make you less of an ethnostate, it just means you formed a coalition and declared everybody involved to be whatever race you decided was good.

                  • _else [she/her,they/them]
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                    4 years ago

                    varies a bit by region, because it's just so fucking big, I'm not sure I'd say it IS

                    but I wouldn't argue that it isn't; it was certainly founded with that intention. IDK; was apartheid south africa an ethnostate?

              • _else [she/her,they/them]
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                4 years ago

                so, middle eastern jews PROBABLY had to be forced out of their home countries after the zionist terror forces started terrorizing them and their neighbors and it was no longer safe because there's nothing zionists love more than spreading antisemitism (except pretending they're victims of it when you call them genocidal imperialist monsters).

                I still count them as only being there because the zionists made themselves a regional boogeyman, and I still haven't seen a lot of middle eastern looking folks in positions of power or cultural export. IDK, maybe they're the same ethnic group as the europeans? which is... what again?