Lunar war now, baybeeee!

    • 389aaa [it/its]
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      4 years ago

      I mean, there's totally a difference, just not that much on foreign policy/natsec shit. People talked shit about it but honestly having a dedicated Space-focused branch of the military was one of the more rational policies Trump had, there's a reason both China and Russia have them. Well, China's is folded into a general 'Strategic Support Force' that includes electronic and cyberwarfare too (another the US Military probably needs) but that's a relatively minor organizational difference.

      Point being: splitting off the Air Force's Space Command into an independent branch was the correct decision, and it was gonna happen sooner or later. Space and cyberwarfare are both going to probably end up being the primary battlegrounds of the second cold war.

      • AlexandairBabeuf [they/them]
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        4 years ago

        uh I don't care if China and Russia have such divisions, shit is still in contravention to int'l law and bad.

        death to all who seek to weaponize the exploration of space.

          • AlexandairBabeuf [they/them]
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            4 years ago

            the way we prevent shit from happening is thru opposition lmao. and if you don't oppose nuclear weapons, kindly WTF. nukes bad. nukes bad. space nukes worse.

            'someone else will do it' is such a cop-out just have some principles, christ

              • AlexandairBabeuf [they/them]
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                4 years ago

                nothing we can do

                demonstrate, strike, organize. genie's been outta the nuclear bottle for 80 fukin years, has that stopped anti-nuclear activists? just because shit is hard does not mean its not worthwhile or necessary. if a better world isn't possible why are you even here.

                  • AlexandairBabeuf [they/them]
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                    4 years ago

                    the amount of nukes has gone down, every country with a semblance of democracy has a no-first strike policy, nukes haven't been used on human targets since 1945, testing is basically over, but the anti-nuclear movement hasn't gotten rid of every warhead so i guess they ain't done shit.

                      • grisbajskulor [he/him]
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                        4 years ago

                        I'm not sure what significance it plays to today's geopolitics, but it's important to not forget how much the US has historically led the nuclear arms race. Chomsky is as anti-USSR as they come, but in "Who Rules The World" there's a chapter where he outlines how often the US ignored Kruschev's calls for denuclearization, and how justified Soviet missiles in Cuba were in the context of American missiles in Turkey (edited, not Ukraine lol sorry).

                        Your point is valid and you can't forget realpolitik, but I do disagree with you, I think the anti-nuclear weapon fight is super important. It continues to be one of the two main threats against humanity. Though it's important to remember that denuclearization should always primarily target the US, the imperial core, the forerunner of the nuclear arms race. I agree with you that we don't really have much say in demilitarization in general, but it's the same with climate change, and it's still worth fighting for even if the fight is disorganized and powerless right now.

                        • Oni [any,comrade/them]
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                          4 years ago

                          the American missiles were in Turkey, Ukrainian SSR did not have American missiles lmao

                          • grisbajskulor [he/him]
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                            4 years ago

                            Lol thank you, I'm misinformed as fuck I'm sorry. I wish there was a site-wide flair for "not well read." Maybe I should just stop commenting.

                      • AlexandairBabeuf [they/them]
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                        4 years ago

                        anti-testing is an absolutely tangible gain, there's always more they could be testing if they wanted. you could say it was 'complete' by like the 80's too when they could wipe out humanity just with ICBMs but they still carried on another decade. they'd just love to make a wifi-enabled h-bomb

                        net reduction from 'could destroy earth 100 times' to 90 times would be an improvement, and the actual difference is much more dramatic

                        but bemoaning absolutely essential action as pointless is utter capitalist realism. 'the US didn't get out of Vietnam because of anti-war activism, may as well not do anything' 'Exxon Mobil will never allow a fully green energy grid, may as well not try' 'white supremacists will never give up so we should'

                          • AlexandairBabeuf [they/them]
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                            4 years ago

                            I mean I don't earnestly believe meaningful progress is achievable on any of the points through reform lol. I just think we need to be trying anyway. Any minor gains we can extract sans revolution are still good. putting pressure on the government is good even if we aren't outright winning.

                      • Nagarjuna [he/him]
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                        4 years ago

                        No first strike policies are not a minor side aspect...

          • Nagarjuna [he/him]
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            4 years ago

            Being anti nuke is good though, because even if you can't reach total disarmament, you can still reduce the resources going into building and maintaining them. Like, imagine if Trident was cut and all that was put into reperations or something.

    • Mardoniush [she/her]
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      4 years ago

      USA: Blows everything on stupid one shot moon projects. Gives up once a flag goes down

      USSR: Wins every other milestone, spends a reasonable amount of cash on the moon. Spends its time and resources working on long term space habitation and robotics instead, develops core technologies used in all current long term and unmanned missions. Provides the current foundation for the settlement of space

      USA: HA! We won! Also we're stealing all your stuff.

      • TC_209 [he/him, comrade/them]
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        4 years ago

        Fun fact: NASA has serious plans to use Apollo hardware to build permanent lunar colonies, as well as long-term ideas for exploring Mars and Venus with upgraded Apollo hardware.

        Not-fun fact: The government killed the Apollo Applications Program (with the exception of a scaled-down Skylab) because carpet-bombing SE Asia was super-duper important.

        fuck i broke my wrist doing a jerk off motion

        • Mardoniush [she/her]
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          4 years ago

          Capitalism has stolen the future at every level, from the lives of people struggling in the third world to the heights of human endeavour. No area of progress has been untouched.

          Fuck every last member of the ruling class for destroying the SU. Whatever flaws it had, it let a simple farmer, the grandson of an enslaved serf, become the first human in space.

  • emizeko [they/them]
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    4 years ago

    thinking about how once the USSR was couped, NASA got its budget slashed and now Estee Lauder is doing ads filmed on the space shuttle

  • Gay_Wrath [fae/faer]
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    4 years ago

    okay, we need an emoji for H A R M R E D U C T I O N at this point lol

  • a_blanqui_slate [none/use name, any]
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    4 years ago

    Critical support for Biden's plan to transfer all military personal into the Space Force in order to be

    spoiler

    destroyed by unknown assailants on transitioning the Sol gate:::

  • RedArmor [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    We need an excuse to keep pumping billions of dollars into the NDAA.