please try to keep in mind that when people offer you these criticisms they are offering them because they have questions about them. most people just don't realise what is shitty and what isn't. if they had someone to respond to whatever trash they've been reading it could do a lot of good. do you have any of their articles or talking points on hand? I'm sure you could crowdsource a lot of good responses from chapos if you did decide to do it.
I should have a list of articles, because they source their stuff. I will also look up some responses to it and learn more about it by myself at first. I have a presentation scheduled in a few weeks, I could probably hijack the topic to talk about intersectionality and against class reductionism.
thats really bad advice depending on options the OP might have. telling people not to organize with people you disagree with is really shitty. If you're serious enough that you're joining a party you HAVE to realise you're going to be working with people who disagree with you on things. you have to find common ground and make your opinion known. its so much easier to get people to agree with you in person as opposed to online if you approach them non-combatively.
obviously none of this applies if the group is just straight up racist or homophobic, but just being "class reductionist" shouldnt be a deal breaker for anyone. educate yourself, educate others. that's literally one of the biggest goals of organizing anything right now, so if you're not willing to put that effort in you might as well just stay online.
op is being handed an opportunity to correct shitty ideas by being asked to give a talk. that's a good sign. i really hope they go for it instead of jumping ship
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Yeah, i just looked the local food bank up and they are looking for help and seem to do some nice things.
At the start I also thought that it was just flirting, but it just built up and it is in wvery statement and opinion.
The dangerous part is if i did not have alternative sources of education, I as a baby leftist would probably have internalised that shit.
So thanks to chapo chat among others.
please try to keep in mind that when people offer you these criticisms they are offering them because they have questions about them. most people just don't realise what is shitty and what isn't. if they had someone to respond to whatever trash they've been reading it could do a lot of good. do you have any of their articles or talking points on hand? I'm sure you could crowdsource a lot of good responses from chapos if you did decide to do it.
Thanks,
I should have a list of articles, because they source their stuff. I will also look up some responses to it and learn more about it by myself at first. I have a presentation scheduled in a few weeks, I could probably hijack the topic to talk about intersectionality and against class reductionism.
Cool! I hope it goes well. If you need any help just post :heart-sickle:
thats really bad advice depending on options the OP might have. telling people not to organize with people you disagree with is really shitty. If you're serious enough that you're joining a party you HAVE to realise you're going to be working with people who disagree with you on things. you have to find common ground and make your opinion known. its so much easier to get people to agree with you in person as opposed to online if you approach them non-combatively.
obviously none of this applies if the group is just straight up racist or homophobic, but just being "class reductionist" shouldnt be a deal breaker for anyone. educate yourself, educate others. that's literally one of the biggest goals of organizing anything right now, so if you're not willing to put that effort in you might as well just stay online.
op is being handed an opportunity to correct shitty ideas by being asked to give a talk. that's a good sign. i really hope they go for it instead of jumping ship
Yeah, fair points all! I was probably projecting a bit of my own experiences there