If we call China capitalist, we’d also have to call the Soviets under the NEP capitalist and Vietnam as it stands capitalist.
Bingo. Understanding historical context is what separates the western anti-communist lib(eral)-left from serious socialists of any flavor. The October Revolutionaries didn't intend for socialism to be built from the ground-up in a peasant-based feudal society but as a spark to ignite a world revolution. The goal was to topple the bougeoise, create proletarian governments, then have the more industrially developed socialist states aid in the uplifting of the less developed socialist states.
Obviously that didn't happen and those Revolutionaries, followed by the scant few that were also successful, were left as economically feeble fledgling states surrounded by the most heinous vampiric empires drooling at the plans they had to carve them up like a Thanksgiving turkey.
Arguments based off of the facts of the historical context and material conditions I can get, regardless of my agreement or disagreement, but these kinds of ignorant sophistry rubs me in the same wrong way as when a chud starts bellowing how nazi germany was a socialist state.
Modern China is not the USSR immediately after the Tsar. The material conditions are different. And the USSR didn't have billionaires. Relatively privileged party officials, but no billionaires. I don't see how allowing the proliferation of billionaires in any way aids in the development of a country toward socialism.
Edit: wait.. so I said that there were no soviet billionaires and your response is a single book titled Soviet Millionaires? I can't even find a review of this book. Does this pass as research?
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these kinds of ignorant sophistry rubs me in the same wrong way as when a chud starts bellowing how nazi germany was a socialist state.
Edit 3: you should read that pamphlet. The notion that wealthy collective farmers have anything in common with the transnational billionaire class of our neoliberal capitalist hellworld is absolutely laughable
Bingo. Understanding historical context is what separates the western anti-communist lib(eral)-left from serious socialists of any flavor. The October Revolutionaries didn't intend for socialism to be built from the ground-up in a peasant-based feudal society but as a spark to ignite a world revolution. The goal was to topple the bougeoise, create proletarian governments, then have the more industrially developed socialist states aid in the uplifting of the less developed socialist states.
Obviously that didn't happen and those Revolutionaries, followed by the scant few that were also successful, were left as economically feeble fledgling states surrounded by the most heinous vampiric empires drooling at the plans they had to carve them up like a Thanksgiving turkey.
Arguments based off of the facts of the historical context and material conditions I can get, regardless of my agreement or disagreement, but these kinds of ignorant sophistry rubs me in the same wrong way as when a chud starts bellowing how nazi germany was a socialist state.
Modern China is not the USSR immediately after the Tsar. The material conditions are different. And the USSR didn't have billionaires. Relatively privileged party officials, but no billionaires. I don't see how allowing the proliferation of billionaires in any way aids in the development of a country toward socialism.
https://www.amazon.com/Soviet-millionaires-Reg-Bishop-Reginald/dp/B007XCMNDA?ref_=d6k_applink_bb_marketplace
Have you read this book?
Edit: wait.. so I said that there were no soviet billionaires and your response is a single book titled Soviet Millionaires? I can't even find a review of this book. Does this pass as research?
One of the parent comments was literally
Please tell me you're joking or trolling me
EDIT 2: WHY WOULD YOU LINK TO AMAZON WHEN YOU CAN LINK TO THE ENTIRE TEXT FOR FREE?
Edit 3: you should read that pamphlet. The notion that wealthy collective farmers have anything in common with the transnational billionaire class of our neoliberal capitalist hellworld is absolutely laughable
Go read some of Deng's books then. I'm not having this argument.