I was a liberal back when I watched it so I might give it a rewatch.
but a critique of jojo is that I think it lacks subtlety/generality. that's a problem because the movie is a critique of ideology (specifically of the fascist kind). it feels like a movie for libs/conservatives; to reassure them of the righteousness of their ideology. like, yea no shit fascism is bad, but what is to be said about the ideological paradigm we are stuck in? nothing. we're perfectly fine where we are is all that the movie offers imo.
like the other commentor said, its overtly american centric(americans in Berlin at liberation). consistent with that is the unsophisticated understanding of fascism.
it's a film which very overtly advocates for liberal democracy.
I cant stand art where the meaning of it is spelled out for the audience...just my taste.
I think it's almost necessary. I mean, in this thread, there are people misinterpreting a movie you said wasn't subtle enough. It happens constantly, especially wth political art.
if the movie had been set during the spanish civil war, it would have provoked some thought as it would have been a more subtle show of facism. Johansson's character could have been a leftist, the Jewish girl as well. but no, it has to be set in nazi germany.
the liberal's understanding of fascism begins and ends with the holocaust + authoritarianism.
that's my entire criticism. nazi germany is most absurd form of fascism in history. there are forms of fascism that will challenge the liberal's definition of fascism. nazi germany is not that form. it's just a feel good movie.
The movie is about how hypocritical and stupid fascism is. It's telling you not to give fascists not the slightest amount of respect. This is good at deprogramming liberals who think fascists are "efficient, but bad guys." Also no neo-nazi or white nationalist is gonna see that movie and like it. It's basically the same ideology as Mel Brooks, deny the facsists power in the language of culture. Intentional or not, it has some elements of Umberto Eco's Ur-Fascism.
It’s basically the same ideology as Mel Brooks, deny the facsists power in the language of culture
yea. because culture are the only grounds to which we have access(essentially our consumer decisions lol). there's little access to the grounds of politics and no access whatsoever to economy. that's the american and eu predicament, and the movie is an expression of it. hence, the movie is shallow from a leftist perspective.
I wish it had some more elements of Ur-Fascism. I'd go so far as to say setting the movie in nazi germany was a mistake. Using 'Hitler bad' to make a political point gets eyerolls because its low effort. Using Nazi germany to understand fascism is also low effort.
The liberal/conservative's understanding of fascism is sketchy. Out attitude towards Franco's spain is generally positive, our attitude on Mussolini is fairly malleable. had it been set in either of those places, it would have been more thought provoking. but it's not, it's a liberal ass movie.
But Matt said he didn’t like it and, as a consumer of the trough of slop we know as the pod, I am strictly forbidden now from watching it to form my own opinion about it
Lol. I've noticed that too. Especially funny because Matt has pretty lame taste.
you don't have to ape matt's shit taste to find Waititi's work superficial rubbish.
it's revisionist as fuck, americans soldiers were barely in germany in WWII, most german cities were liberated by the Soviets, who are barely mentioned (except to make "ha ha, russians (not soviets) are bearfuckers" type jokes)
Look to how they had to have both Soviet and American soldiers liberate Jojo's city. That way the Soviet's could be the evil occupiers who shot the nice German officer character, and the American's were the brave liberators who saved the lives of Jojo and Elsa.
Yeah, there were plenty of places that US and Soviet troops met up, usually in the south where US forces had penetrated beyond the agreed borders to steal some rocket scientists. The US took Salzburg ffs, a city notable for being east of Germany
Did people who say "oh it was so soft on hitler and the nazis" watch the movie? The whole point is that we see things from JoJos brainwashed perspective and in the 3rd act it all comes crashing down
the politics sucked and were lib overall, but i thought the movie itself was pretty good
If the kid was named Jojo, and only he could see Hitler, does that mean Hitler was his Stand?
Yes it is, and it's one of the few movies where if you don't like it I'll just say you don't get it
I enjoyed the film and am pretty good at separating my politically rotted brain with entertainment but every now and then it bothered me so much how much humility they gave hitler. It was very entertaining film though, for sure worth watching, but that was one of those movies where it's hard to suspend my beliefs throughout the whole thing seeing how playful they made his character. Usually I can't stand child actors but that kid did a really good job, he carried that film so hard
I mean the Hitler he sees is just a manifestation of intense propaganda and the kid's daddy issues. I dont think Taika Waititi ever intended to portray him with humility
yeah i doubt he did either, this is all just a personal critique watching it
Well, you gotta remember that the Hitler in the movie is entirely the imaginary friend of a kid in the Hitler Youth
yes yes, i do get that, it's hard to describe exactly, but a lot of it has to due with my pure hatred of him and everything he has done. So just suspending my beliefs constantly for that one was a bit tougher but I still enjoyed it as just a movie.
Taika is a Jew whose family fled the holocaust so I think he hates Hitler plenty too
Yeah if we compare it to say The Death of Stalin, I'd much rather recommend that over this. It was a lot easier to set aside some of the dogshit ass revisionism because they made it constantly funny because of all the actors doing such a great job. Steve Buscemi is just a really funny dude to me, I've always loved him and is mainly why I even gave it a shot. It was like watching an alternative history movie but it doesn't take it self serious. Jojo rabbit is also completely fictional but they took it more serious as an actual movie, even though it's comedy. None of the actors pretended to have russian accents so you got various british, american and other accents all happening at one time so it's not like they are really trying to be serious/historical.
Unfortunately, the literal plot of the movie is that liberalism is good.
