You know what? I'll defend it. I voted for Biden as harm reduction. Biden is a fucking terrible human being, and not much better than Trump. He is still less worse than Trump. The problem is that people think voting is the only type of praxis you can do and this thus led a months-long idiotic debate on this site that included the dumbest take: "Trump is better". He's not. He is worse. I view voting as a way to choose my opposition. I would rather fight against Biden than Trump. Third party candidates were never going to win, be honest.
For people who think that voting doesn't do a lot, you complain an awful lot about it. Before we can vote for a vanguard party, we need to have one. We need to focus on getting organized. We all knew Biden was never going to help us. Electoralism is a tiny sideshow of lesser-evilism. Chapo dumbly thought that Bernie would be the answer and burned themselves out on it. Don't burn yourself out. Organize!
You should for tanking Hillary's 2020 election chances because of your deep and uncontrollable misogyny.
You should be fucking ashamed of yourself for once again siding with white males when a perfectly acceptable female candidate could have won if you just voted for her.
Utterly disgraceful and disgusting behavior from a so called "leftist"
I’ll argue that Trump would have heightened the contradictions more.
But maybe it is a flagrant disregard for the functions of govt and the power it holds vs someone who takes it seriously and cares about the “image” of the government.
Electoralism is a tiny sideshow of lesser-evilism.
Biden wasn't the harm reduction candidate though. Clinton wasn't in 2016 and Biden wasn't in 2020.
Trump was busy destroying USAs image on the global stage.
When the US was fully geared up to destroy Venezuela Trump bottled it and called it off saying he didn't want to be known as "the body bag president" according to John Bolton who after seeing that campaigned for the Dems.
Trump encouraged the amateur security group that ended up trying to coup Maduro in Venezuela and they ended up shot by fishermen when they arrived or paraded in front of the worlds press as USA aggression on Venezuela. Trump was busy destroying Nato and pulling the USA into an unwinnable conflict with China. He also tried to withdraw troops from Syria and had to have his team lie to his face about how many troops were there. Pulled out of TTIP (anti worker legislation) which allowed China to sign RCEP and start pushing US out of Asia.
Trump was the harm reduction candidate on incompetence grounds alone.
Biden promised to rebuild the "American Nation" in which he means to unite America via a return to neoconservative war mongering and the scraps at the proletariat will be taken from the ruination of peoples in the global south. And indeed Biden re-invaded Syria on his first day as president
You can be a national chauvinist if you like and say "Biden was the harm reduction candidate for me and people near me."
Fair enough I don't disagree - If you truly were concerned with harm reduction you'd have put a tickbox next to Trump to watch him completely ruin Nato and the Atlantic Alliance and bumble through every coup attempt the US would like to perpetrate
But he wasn't in the grand scheme in the fight against imperialism and he wasn't for the rest of the 7.3 billion people on the planet
"Trump was actually better for the rest of the world" is consistently the worst take on here. It's also a take that's hard to find outside of the U.S.
When the US was fully geared up to destroy Venezuela Trump bottled it and called it off saying he didn’t want to be known as “the body bag president” according to John Bolton who after seeing that campaigned for the Dems.
You're talking about Iran here, and you're omitting that Trump took us from a significant diplomatic agreement with Iran to coming within hours of war. You're also omitting the many escalations he was personally responsible for, most notably the Soleimani assassination. Beyond Iran, drone strikes killed three times as many civilians under Trump.
Besides, the intelligence community had already figured out a way to work around Trump: lie to him. They had been withholding intelligence from him for years because he was so bad at keeping his mouth shut, and this blossomed to lying about troop numbers in Syria along with who knows what else. Accounting for institutional power like this shows how absurd stuff like "Donald Trump would have been the end of NATO" really is.
“Trump was actually better for the rest of the world” is consistently the worst take on here. It’s also a take that’s hard to find outside of the U.S.
The research in the article includes a majority(only 24 countries, skips the entire third world because who cares) of western first world countries.
Clearly capitalist nations would prefer Biden because Trump embarrasses and jeopardizes the legitimacy of the "free" "democratic" world led by America.
Trump simply exposed the ugly side of American politics to people worldwide who had no clue the white savior was actually clueless and stupid most of the time not to mention racist and incompetent.
Biden would help transform that image and with it the belief that we(westerners) live in a just world.
You can easily find polls about what Europeans and other people think of actual living conditions in the US like lack of healthcare, education, poverty levels etc.
Nobody in the first world is ready and/or willing to admit the US is their enemy. Trump's racist isolationist USA makes that obvious. Any other "civil" president makes it seem like it is back to good old USA freedom police yadayada.
Peru, Mexico, and Malyasia are in that survey, and they were all strongly against Trump. There are shortcomings to the survey, but it's ridiculous to claim to speak for countries outside the imperial core while (1) not even looking for evidence of what they think, and (2) ignoring what evidence we have.
Brinksmanship is a terrible policy -- especially when the president is being kept at least partially in the dark. If you push right up to the edge often enough you're not always going to be able to pull back in time. So Trump gets zero credit for playing a terrible game and getting lucky enough that the situation didn't unexpectedly escalate beyond his control.
Biden can be awful without Trump even kinda-sorta good in some areas.
Which may help explain why he was so angry Trump didn’t attack Iran last summer after the regime shot down a US surveillance drone. Trump at the last minute called off planned strikes on Iranian sites because he felt it wasn’t “proportionate.”
“‘Too many body bags,’ said Trump,” according to Bolton...
Trump pulled back from one full-scale attack after escalating us to the point where that attack was imminent. There was no comparable full-scale attack on Venezuela planned, and Trump didn't pull us back from one.
Ah my bad still I don't think Biden or Clinton would've bottled it on Iran like Trump did.
Instead Trump assassinates Suleimani giving Iran the sympathy of the world and the US looking like a Mafia state preventing any reasonable casus belli being created by USA - my 2 pence
I don't think we need to speculate about whether Biden or Clinton would have backed out at the 11th hour -- they wouldn't have gotten to the 11th hour in the first place. Both ran as "Obama Part III," and Obama's approach to Iran involved substantive diplomacy. It still wasn't good for all sorts of reasons, but it wasn't escalation, either.
Well rather there was no 12th hour. Yes if Biden had committed to war he wouldn't bottle it at the 12th hour but neither would he have led the US up the garden path of strategic blunder after strategic blunder to a dead end
12th hour would've been end of US Empire overnight had they actually gone to war with Iran and if they can't win a war in Iraq which is half the size of Iran with less mountainous terrain and with Iraq a divided society on ethnic lines compared to Iran an ancient civilisation with deep nationalist roots
Let's recap what Trump did
Pulled out the Iran deal while the Europeans stayed in it and tried to salvage it - Iran looks good in the eyes of the world. US looks deranged
Europeans realising they basically can't salvage it because of the US swift system
Iran attacks Saudi oil pumps as a show of strength but is a limited strike mainly meant to show that Iran can really fuck up SA if things start to go south
Sulemani killed
Iran retaliates by launching missiles at a US base in Iraq. Originally no casualties or injuries and over the months US is forced to admit a contractor was killed and 100 soldiers suffered brain injury and zero retaliation by US meanwhile Iran steps up support for the Houthis in Yemen
Iran starts refining uranium again with Irans head of atomic energy saying
We should also thank the enemy who gave us this opportunity to demonstrate the strength of the Islamic Republic, especially in the nuclear industry - Ali Akbar Salehi
Who has been strengthened and weakened by US policy under Trump?
harm reduction candidate btw
You know what? I'll defend it. I voted for Biden as harm reduction. Biden is a fucking terrible human being, and not much better than Trump. He is still less worse than Trump. The problem is that people think voting is the only type of praxis you can do and this thus led a months-long idiotic debate on this site that included the dumbest take: "Trump is better". He's not. He is worse. I view voting as a way to choose my opposition. I would rather fight against Biden than Trump. Third party candidates were never going to win, be honest.
For people who think that voting doesn't do a lot, you complain an awful lot about it. Before we can vote for a vanguard party, we need to have one. We need to focus on getting organized. We all knew Biden was never going to help us. Electoralism is a tiny sideshow of lesser-evilism. Chapo dumbly thought that Bernie would be the answer and burned themselves out on it. Don't burn yourself out. Organize!
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Biden and trump are both fascists.
I do not regret my vote for Biden in the general. Let the contradictions heighten!
You should for tanking Hillary's 2020 election chances because of your deep and uncontrollable misogyny.
You should be fucking ashamed of yourself for once again siding with white males when a perfectly acceptable female candidate could have won if you just voted for her.
Utterly disgraceful and disgusting behavior from a so called "leftist"
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I’ll argue that Trump would have heightened the contradictions more.
But maybe it is a flagrant disregard for the functions of govt and the power it holds vs someone who takes it seriously and cares about the “image” of the government.
Biden wasn't the harm reduction candidate though. Clinton wasn't in 2016 and Biden wasn't in 2020.
Trump was busy destroying USAs image on the global stage.
When the US was fully geared up to destroy Venezuela Trump bottled it and called it off saying he didn't want to be known as "the body bag president" according to John Bolton who after seeing that campaigned for the Dems.
Trump encouraged the amateur security group that ended up trying to coup Maduro in Venezuela and they ended up shot by fishermen when they arrived or paraded in front of the worlds press as USA aggression on Venezuela. Trump was busy destroying Nato and pulling the USA into an unwinnable conflict with China. He also tried to withdraw troops from Syria and had to have his team lie to his face about how many troops were there. Pulled out of TTIP (anti worker legislation) which allowed China to sign RCEP and start pushing US out of Asia.
Trump then discredited USA democracy in front of the entire world on 6th Jan by encouraging rightists to coup the government. If Trump had been in office for 4 years Nato would be dead - an organisation that funded far right fascist paramilitaries all over Europe to prevent them going socialist
Trump was the harm reduction candidate on incompetence grounds alone.
Biden promised to rebuild the "American Nation" in which he means to unite America via a return to neoconservative war mongering and the scraps at the proletariat will be taken from the ruination of peoples in the global south. And indeed Biden re-invaded Syria on his first day as president
You can be a national chauvinist if you like and say "Biden was the harm reduction candidate for me and people near me."
Fair enough I don't disagree - If you truly were concerned with harm reduction you'd have put a tickbox next to Trump to watch him completely ruin Nato and the Atlantic Alliance and bumble through every coup attempt the US would like to perpetrate
But he wasn't in the grand scheme in the fight against imperialism and he wasn't for the rest of the 7.3 billion people on the planet
Good post, I've always thought that Trump has been worse for America but far better for the rest of the world.
"Trump was actually better for the rest of the world" is consistently the worst take on here. It's also a take that's hard to find outside of the U.S.
You're talking about Iran here, and you're omitting that Trump took us from a significant diplomatic agreement with Iran to coming within hours of war. You're also omitting the many escalations he was personally responsible for, most notably the Soleimani assassination. Beyond Iran, drone strikes killed three times as many civilians under Trump.
Besides, the intelligence community had already figured out a way to work around Trump: lie to him. They had been withholding intelligence from him for years because he was so bad at keeping his mouth shut, and this blossomed to lying about troop numbers in Syria along with who knows what else. Accounting for institutional power like this shows how absurd stuff like "Donald Trump would have been the end of NATO" really is.
The research in the article includes a majority(only 24 countries, skips the entire third world because who cares) of western first world countries.
Clearly capitalist nations would prefer Biden because Trump embarrasses and jeopardizes the legitimacy of the "free" "democratic" world led by America. Trump simply exposed the ugly side of American politics to people worldwide who had no clue the white savior was actually clueless and stupid most of the time not to mention racist and incompetent.
Biden would help transform that image and with it the belief that we(westerners) live in a just world. You can easily find polls about what Europeans and other people think of actual living conditions in the US like lack of healthcare, education, poverty levels etc.
Nobody in the first world is ready and/or willing to admit the US is their enemy. Trump's racist isolationist USA makes that obvious. Any other "civil" president makes it seem like it is back to good old USA freedom police yadayada.
Peru, Mexico, and Malyasia are in that survey, and they were all strongly against Trump. There are shortcomings to the survey, but it's ridiculous to claim to speak for countries outside the imperial core while (1) not even looking for evidence of what they think, and (2) ignoring what evidence we have.
No im talking about Venezuela
Bolton mentions it in his book - they had geared up for Venezuela invasion and Trump bottled it with the phrase i said.
You should go watch The Munich Conference and see what the European Atlanticists (read pro american neocon war criminals) think
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=K_rto1BZwAk
Brinksmanship is a terrible policy -- especially when the president is being kept at least partially in the dark. If you push right up to the edge often enough you're not always going to be able to pull back in time. So Trump gets zero credit for playing a terrible game and getting lucky enough that the situation didn't unexpectedly escalate beyond his control.
Biden can be awful without Trump even kinda-sorta good in some areas.
And the body bag quote was about Iran:
Trump pulled back from one full-scale attack after escalating us to the point where that attack was imminent. There was no comparable full-scale attack on Venezuela planned, and Trump didn't pull us back from one.
Ah my bad still I don't think Biden or Clinton would've bottled it on Iran like Trump did.
Instead Trump assassinates Suleimani giving Iran the sympathy of the world and the US looking like a Mafia state preventing any reasonable casus belli being created by USA - my 2 pence
I don't think we need to speculate about whether Biden or Clinton would have backed out at the 11th hour -- they wouldn't have gotten to the 11th hour in the first place. Both ran as "Obama Part III," and Obama's approach to Iran involved substantive diplomacy. It still wasn't good for all sorts of reasons, but it wasn't escalation, either.
Well rather there was no 12th hour. Yes if Biden had committed to war he wouldn't bottle it at the 12th hour but neither would he have led the US up the garden path of strategic blunder after strategic blunder to a dead end
12th hour would've been end of US Empire overnight had they actually gone to war with Iran and if they can't win a war in Iraq which is half the size of Iran with less mountainous terrain and with Iraq a divided society on ethnic lines compared to Iran an ancient civilisation with deep nationalist roots
Let's recap what Trump did
Pulled out the Iran deal while the Europeans stayed in it and tried to salvage it - Iran looks good in the eyes of the world. US looks deranged
Europeans realising they basically can't salvage it because of the US swift system
Europeans start building an alternative to Swift system - destroying a huge component of US hegemony and grip over Europe
Iran attacks Saudi oil pumps as a show of strength but is a limited strike mainly meant to show that Iran can really fuck up SA if things start to go south
Sulemani killed
Iran retaliates by launching missiles at a US base in Iraq. Originally no casualties or injuries and over the months US is forced to admit a contractor was killed and 100 soldiers suffered brain injury and zero retaliation by US meanwhile Iran steps up support for the Houthis in Yemen
Iran starts refining uranium again with Irans head of atomic energy saying
Who has been strengthened and weakened by US policy under Trump?
Thanks to Trump and his cabinet Iran is now doing military exercises with China and Russia - China and Russia themselves pushed together by US
great post but when I saved it for dunking liberals I changed this to "4 more years" since I think that's what you meant?
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Pathetic
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