• spez_hole [he/him,they/them]
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    4 years ago

    but ahem sir did you consider the utility of all the added enjoyment from driving a car or flying a private plane?

    • RNAi [he/him]
      hexagon
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      4 years ago

      The joy of being caged in a two ton metal shit going at 100 km/h surrounded of dozens of two ton metal cages going even faster, all of them controlled by intoxicated and stressed monkeys, a very comfy thing to do yes.

      I do like driving, like across a natural place or rural zone, dirt road or freeway, but not fucking commuting.

      • spez_hole [he/him,they/them]
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        4 years ago

        I think the utility argument is also affected by the 'negative utility' of the world that capital creates. An example for the sake of argument: you would want a car in a cyberpunk dystopia because maybe everyone is out to kill you on public transport. A less extreme example is like, you need that enjoyable product even worse now because your daily life is so atomized and alienated.

        • RNAi [he/him]
          hexagon
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          4 years ago

          Hate for public mass transit is just hate for the poor.

          Except for buses that have too many stops, god I hate them

          • garbology [he/him]
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            4 years ago

            Except for buses that have too many stops, god I hate them

            Counter-point: buses with no fare can still make good time on a route even with a lot of stops cause people get off/on quickly.

          • spez_hole [he/him,they/them]
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            4 years ago

            you're going to moralize about my dystopia example? what if poor people had real reason to fear other poor people? it's not their fault that society left them to duke it out in a mad max style dystopia

            • RNAi [he/him]
              hexagon
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              4 years ago

              Ah I get your point. Anyways, it's like saying "If a person puts a gun in your head and made you choose between eating your own shit or eating somebody elses shit. Well eatig your own shit is the better thing to do"

              • Whorish_Ooze [none/use name]
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                4 years ago

                Unless you have one of the very many conditions that fecal transplant bacteriotherapy is an effective treatment for. The more people's poop you eat, the stronger you get. Its like highlander, but for gut flora.

                • RNAi [he/him]
                  hexagon
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                  4 years ago

                  Yes but you need the good poopoo delivered to your intestines without going thrpugh the stomach acids

              • spez_hole [he/him,they/them]
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                4 years ago

                yes absolutely. this is how I think capital treats most people, and how decision making in such a market works: they discourage social bonds and replace them with goods and services, suddenly those goods seem more necessary and the utility increases and the economist smiles