I know we all hate the feds here, but the atf didn’t start the Waco fires. Denying reality to own the cops isn’t something that we should be doing. This and killdozer are like 2 of the things that pisses me off with the left trying to co-opt libertarian folk heros because pig bad

  • rozako [she/her]
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    4 years ago

    anyways koresh was bad, but no one else deserved to die, ATF is definitely mostly at fault here for the amount of deaths (especially of the kids), and proved all the members’ beliefs to be true. It affected even the kids released before the final attack as they too saw how koresh had been right all along. Many of the kids told the social workers stuff like “you’re going to kill my family,” and then they did. Just really sad insight from those kids. Luckily the kids were kept track of for years afterwards in the system and some seemed to be doing pretty good.

    • rozako [she/her]
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      4 years ago

      also to add ATF killed all those people and this lead to McVeigh. So ATF killed 200+ people with that decision.

        • rozako [she/her]
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          4 years ago

          I mean he himself mentioned Waco as his reasoning more than once. Sure something else may have triggered it eventually, but Waco is what did, so ATF deserves some of the blame.