Average rents? Slashed by 60%. Massive rentier conglomerates? Slated for dismemberment. Based.

  • LeninWalksTheWorld [any]
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    "In a food shortage, for example, regulating the price of bread only trades one expression of scarcity (high prices) for another (empty shelves)."

    What a fucking cockroach. As if food in people's stomaches would be better off sitting on an unaffordable shelf.

      • invalidusernamelol [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        If people are starving and there's still food in your warehouse, it means you're doing a really good job of artificial scarcity and winning at capitalism

    • JoesFrackinJack [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      these people just don't have empathy or a heart. I can't imagine how anyone could not only think like this but also write about it as if it's a completely normal and rational way to handle things. It's disgusting

      • penguin_von_doom [she/her]
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        4 years ago

        I know a person like that. And thing is they are just very removed from the situation on one hand, and on the other really believe that this is hurting people, and that deregulating the market would infact make things more affordable, cause more units available or something. Even this guy argues about it in the article. Of course it completely ignores the moment that if things are deregulated a lot of the people who can afford now would not be able to afford after, and you end up with a larger proportion of people fucked over. But it is also true that because it is not extended to the entire market, the part that runs without control is in fact making it more difficult for poorer people to move in. But the answer here is regulate everything, not have a half assed measure or something.

        • JoesFrackinJack [he/him]
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          The article was also intentionally misleading which makes me also believe it's bad faith. The rent control is not covering apartments made after 2014 which is a sizeable market considering how fast Berlin has grown. I totally get what you mean though about how they think regulation hurts people though, that ideology can be attributed to a lot of things (but all stem from the same thing.) The other part about that though is they're not too interested in seeing the sucess that rent control has had, their only job here is to nitpick things in a way that makes their argument sound. It's to be a expected though from a Bloomberg writer though, you don't get in that position by actually breaking down topics in a more methodical way.

          Oh and I meant that about the bread price thing too. Like their whole concept that it's worse to have empty shelves (i.e. people eating food) as opposed to people not being able to afford food lol

      • star_wraith [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        Literally what killed millions of poor irish in the potato famine - still enough food for everyone but most of it was shipped over to rich folks on TERF Island.

        • Sen_Jen [they/them]
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          4 years ago

          Also in 1847, the liberal party enacted free trade policies, expect the invisible hand of the free market to provide a solution

          That year was known as "Black 47" as it was the most deadly year of the Famine

    • zeal0telite [he/him,they/them]
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      4 years ago

      All this shit like this and minimum wage where they're all like "if you do this then the price of X will go up" like it hasn't been going up anyway.

    • 4bicycles [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Bloombergs big ‘argument’ is that rent has risen 4% in other German cities

      I'm not going to read the article tbh, is that seriously their point?

      Like they put forth this came from mass immigration of people from berlin to the rest of the country?

      What's the fucking argument here.

      "Oh yeah since that rent control slashed my rent I just decided to uproot my life and move to Gelsenkirchen"? What?

  • Sunn_Owns [none/use name]
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    I stumbled upon a Politifact's fact check of Sanders' Cuba literacy comments, which the author noted as 'Mostly True'. The reason it was 'Mostly True' instead of 'True' is 'The teaching texts were full of ideological messaging.'

    I fucking shit you not. Libs screech at the top of their lungs about Fox News propaganda, and can't even recognize the very same ideology and propaganda in the media they consume/create.

    This is another perfect example of priors warping data. 'Rent control = bad' is so ingrained into libs mindsets that they don't even question it or the faulty data funded by developers. Developers dominate every city council, they are scourge. The world would immediately be way better if every developer was [redacted].

    • star_wraith [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      There's a not insignificant number of kids in the US who are taught in religious schools. As the product of one of those schools, I can tell you "ideological messaging" you get from textbooks made by A Beka is pretty thick. Yet no one seems to complain about that...

  • GrandAyatollaLenin [he/him,comrade/them]
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    4 years ago

    It’s probably no coincidence that there’s even a separate grassroots effort for a ballot initiative to expropriate large property-owning companies.

    At this rate, Berlin will go full Maoism by 2025.

      • VernetheJules [they/them]
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        4 years ago

        Yeah I rent a room from someone who owns their house and I swayed them by making that argument when we were talking about housing shortages. I really don't have as much of a problem with an atomized population of super small-time landlords who can't make their entire living off of renting out property. It's much harder for groups like that to organize their power against tenants, and if they actually have a real job(tm) then it's even better because they aren't entirely dependent on their serfs for cash flow.

        The other argument I made for state-owned housing (which IIRC exists in Berlin?) which I think might be kind of effective for liberals (or at least my landlord) is to consider the idea of state owned housing for well-to-do folks, and what benefits it can provide. To really get on their side and get them to drop their guard I permit myself to acknowledge the "drawbacks" of providing housing to only poor people (I know I know, bear with me on this), which is what the US currently does. They'll be more willing to listen if you point out the fact that "the projects" have high crime, a bad reputation, are a drain on tax dollars, etc.--without acknowledging any context, as one does when you're trapped in the liberal mindset. But then once they drop their guard, ask them to consider what "the projects" would look like if they were rented out by people like themselves or myself. I'm a working professional, a great tenant by all accounts, pay my rent on time, fix things etc. I'm a very profitable tenant to have around, but of course all the private property owners fall head over heels to extract that from me because I'm seen as a low-risk tenant. But fuck that, why should they get all the good tenants while the government is left holding the bag trying to assist people who are much worse off than me? Wouldn't a very reasonable way to subsidize low-income housing be to provide higher income housing as well? Anyways that's something I thought of to kind of help plant some seeds. I don't think it's perfect but it seems like a decent start.

    • snackage [he/him]
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      Not if the rest of Germany has anything to do with it though. Like every time before.

  • ssjmarx [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    the city state’s “red-green-red” governing coalition between the three left-leaning blocs in the German political spectrum: the Social Democrats, the Greens and the Left (which descends largely from the communist party of the former East Germany).

    Will we see left unity in our time? The answer is "maybe sometimes." Also calling Berlin a city-state is funny to me, like Germany is still in the pre-Holy Roman Empire period.

    It’s probably no coincidence that there’s even a separate grassroots effort for a ballot initiative to expropriate large property-owning companies.

    !!!!!

    • snackage [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      It's not just the conglomerates that I want to dismember if you know what I mean. .......... in Minecraft

    • snackage [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      What were they saying? Did someone say rent control is bad?

      • CyborgMarx [any, any]
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        4 years ago

        PK performed his crypto-neolib magicks on those gullible nincompoops by stickeing an anti-rent control video, turned them all into NIMBYs

          • CyborgMarx [any, any]
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            4 years ago

            Some big-brained redditor who thinks the left can third way triangulate itself into Fully Automated Luxury Communism through neo-classical economics or some shit, he had some brown-nosers on the old sub which made his already big head increase to yakub proportions

            • Chutt_Buggins [he/him]
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              4 years ago

              is there any writeups outlining the fallout from that poster and the old sub?

              I recall the name, but not much of the material/why people started dunking on them

          • snackage [he/him]
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            4 years ago

            Prince _Kropotkin but I can't guarantee PK here is the same person as the PK on twitter and reddit.

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          Anarchists and Market Socialists posting their Ls online

    • pepe_silvia96 [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Nooooooo landowners need an ROI, you can't just make housing a human right.

  • UglySpaghettiHoe [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Rent control worked? But that goes against my neoliberal ideology, clearly reality is wrong. As someone who lives in vancouver fuck these people, how the fuck am I supposed to enjoy living when renting a shitty apartment costs 60% of my paycheck

    • CrimsonSage [any]
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      4 years ago

      40% of all units in NYC are unoccupied and rents are sky high. Clearly this is a supply problem we just need to build more units.

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    • snackage [he/him]
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      Great observation. What I did find is that vacancy rates have been declining for 10 years and have been at a historic low around 1% for the last two years so if we wanted to take the statistic as prof for something we'd be doing it backwards. Rents are high exactly because all the apartments were taken and people were being driven out of what they already had so capping apartments older than 2014 is not going far enough. Of course the price for the ones post 2014 will keep rising until the vacancy rate rises catches up and then will they fall down.

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  • UglySpaghettiHoe [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Remember how the Dems were down to have Bloomberg as a candidate despite having a phone book's worth of sexual harassment/assult NDAs against women who worked for him. I hate that little dopy looking elfman so fucking much

  • snackage [he/him]
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    If anything this article shows that the rent controls aren't going far enough by capping rent on ALL already built apartments and building a lot more public housing.