/c/food is basically /c/veganfood at this point, and is all but being moderated as such with meat posts requiring NSFW tags* and pinned threads pushing veganism. /c/omnivore (or something along those lines) would be an explicitly non-vegan food community so there just doesn't have to be interaction between vegans and non-vegans wrt food posts.

* Despite members of the community expressing multiple times that we didn't want that. And the thread announcing it was locked immediately.

Sorry this borders on /c/strugglesession, but this is still the right comm for this. We shouldn't struggle session about the merits of veganism here; just discuss whether there should be an explicitly omnivore community.

  • Septbear [love/loves]
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    3 years ago

    Meat is violence and people should be reminded of that every step of the way.

    • eduardog3000 [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      We shouldn’t struggle session about the merits of veganism here

          • Septbear [love/loves]
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            3 years ago

            My intent to to draw a line from the violence to the meat. If you feel shame for participating in violence that is your own concious.

              • Septbear [love/loves]
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                3 years ago

                Animals feel pain. Inflicting pain is wrong. Humans aren't special.

                      • ElChapoDeChapo [he/him, comrade/them]
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                        3 years ago

                        If anything, this debate proves we are the stupidest of all animals.

                        Bears just eat whatever the fuck they want, they don't waste time on pointless shit like this.

                      • prolepylene [he/him, comrade/them]
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                        3 years ago

                        This is a terrible take, comrade.

                        colonial racism

                        "The fact that we are having a debate on morality shows that we are superior. Those savages barely have clothes, not mention guns or sewers or any semblance of technology. Until they demonstrate that they are more than mindless animals, they are a pest to be wiped out."

                          • Septbear [love/loves]
                            ·
                            3 years ago

                            So the mentally disabled, the type who can't function without constant care and attention they are okay to commit violence against?

                              • Septbear [love/loves]
                                ·
                                3 years ago

                                I'm just following your logic. Humans are special because we commuicate complex thoughts and that makes us different from animals. Some humans can't do that but we still treat them with respect and love and compassion becuase we reconise their pain and suffering. So if it's not the complex thoughts and communication that makes inflicting pain on humans wrong what is it?

                                  • Septbear [love/loves]
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                                    3 years ago

                                    Fundamentally in the capacity to feel pain we are no different from animals though. They feel fear and pain just like us. When you cut into their skin it feels exactly the same as when we are cut. They have the same nervous system as us just not as developed brains. So I don't see any differnce between us and them when it comes to violence. I don't see them as lesser just different the same way a disabled human isn't lesser to me.

    • notthenameiwant [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      Shaming people almost never works, and you see meat literally everywhere when you leave your house.

      • Veganhydride [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        Yeah and it's shitty and gross and a constant reminder of systemic animal slaughter.

        • notthenameiwant [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          Yes, but does shaming the people who eat meat have any measurable impact towards your goal of eradicating meat consumption, or is it just something to make you feel good? I've lived with two vegans and they never once bothered to shame me because it doesn't work.

          • poopbuttcummywuv [they/them]
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            3 years ago

            vegans and they never once bothered to shame me because it doesn’t work.

            so they should have shamed you then. fucking shame on you dude

            • notthenameiwant [he/him]
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              3 years ago

              Vegans exist in a vacuum where they haven't ever shamed anyone in the past until they've met me.

      • Septbear [love/loves]
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        3 years ago

        I'm not shaming anyone I'm stating a fact you need to commit violence to get meat. I also see capitalism everytime I leave my house should we ignore the violence behind that as well since it's everywhere already?

        • notthenameiwant [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          I also see capitalism everytime I leave my house should we ignore the violence behind that as well since it’s everywhere already?

          We don't NSFW tag capitalism, nor should we. Pretending like that's not shaming someone is being purposefully obtuse.

    • asaharyev [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      Do you drink coffee or eat almonds? The production of coffee is violence, and only enforced through violence.

      Do you like bananas? The production of bananas greatly weakens the global ecosystem due to monocropping, to the point of risking crop failure and potentially localized ecological collapse...

        • asaharyev [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          I'm vegetarian, but I can still understand that the violence against workers who harvest the food we eat is at least as important as the violence done to vegans because they accidentally saw a chicken breast on /c/food.

      • Septbear [love/loves]
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        3 years ago

        Nope I have cut out all petite bourgiousie luxuries that were only made available through colonisation. No chocolate, no tea, no cashews, no coconut. I do use sugar but it's from beets grown in my country. I do not think my personal choice has any effect but I got to live authentically to my beliefs.

        • asaharyev [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          No corn, no tomatoes, no peppers....those are all New World crops, and if you eat them you are engaging in colonialism. So I hope you hold true to that, too.

          • Septbear [love/loves]
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            3 years ago

            There is a difference between crops that were brought back and made into staples 400 years before I was born and buying crops from countries that are exploited and causing ecological damage currently.

        • JayTwo [any]
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          3 years ago

          You mean you don't pocket mulch?

      • questionasker [any]
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        3 years ago

        I don't care much about this drama but this argument is incredibly frustrating for me to read. Yes, all consumption is unethical and is tied to exploitation in a capitalist system, though with this line of reasoning why try improving anything at all?