Assuming no reinfections, we just passed one in ten people having tested positive for COVID :amerikkka-clap:
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What's crazier is that based on everything I've read through during this Insanity: those numbers are probably overly fair. Putting aside false negatives and even the outright fraud that's been alleged: tons of people (elderly especially) have almost certainly died without diagnosis and aren't measured in most official tallies.
It's not really anti-masks people's fault and those sort of lasting effects are uncommon
I have to agree with the Comrade. Ultimately, it's the fault of the government for not having a nationwide lockdown to squash the virus. Leaving the matter up to individual responsibility lays all of the deaths at the feet of those in power. There will always be people who make the wrong decision in any given situation, given a large enough sample population.
Most states eventually did lockdown though.
Nah. I would not call what any of the states had anything resembling a lockdown. Folks were still leaving their houses, getting groceries and shit. That's why it did jack all. It wasn't a lockdown. Folks needed to be confined to their homes for a month with supplies hand delivered to everyone at their door for a successful lockdown. The government wasn't willing to do this. Thus the deaths lay at their feet.
Yeah, exactly, the lockdown required enforcement, and it required that businesses close, which was also not enforced, and more importantly, there needed to be some provision made for people to have their bills paid while not working. None of this happened, so no, there was no lockdown.
This would require mass arrests, would you support that?
To prevent 600,000 deaths? Yes.
You put them under house arrest instead of taking them to jail.
And leaving it entirely to the govt excuses the rank apathy and idiocy that individuals did to spread it.
Apathy and selfishness are downstream effects of capitalist hegemony. I just don't see the point of arguing with other communists about them when we understand that the USA (especially white America) is a factory for manufacturing atomized neoliberal sociopaths from cradle to grave.
barring arresting ever single person who stepped foot outside their house and sending supplies to every house.
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The people who contribute unnecessarily to the spread of the disease have no responsibility for when the disease spreads.
The folks getting hit the heaviest by the disease aren't suburban boomers throwing fits at Macy's. They're service sector and agg workers who are forced into crowded venues in order to make a living, denied paid sick leave, and who lack access/affordability of quality PPE. The initial big COVID blow-ups were meat-packing plants, particularly in rural corners of the country heavily reliant on migrant labor.
Careful with this rhetoric or you're going to end up sounding like Lou Dobbs, blaming the victims of our abysmal health and trade policies for another debilitating symptom of capitalism in decay.
I’m not blaming the service workers, I’m blaming the anti-maskers that shop at the venues. They give it to a worker and that sparks a super-spreader event that spreads to hundreds of working class people.
Again, the primary vector for disease spread has not been suburban retail shopper. They make for excellent scapegoats, and quite a few of them deserve to get clocked for acting like twats, but these are not driving disease spread.
If you get covid-19 because someone couldn’t wear a mask, that’s not your fault.
If you can't access PPE because your local leadership is more concerned with profit margins than proliferation of protective gear, the problem is not one of individual choice but of systemic failure to distribute masks. The handful of Karens making a spectacle of themselves on YouTube have no influence over whether this gear is produced and distributed in a timely manner.
The only people I blame are anti-maskers.
Blaming "anti-maskers" makes about as much sense as blaming "anti-fa". You're lashing out at a meme, which plays neatly into the "personal responsibility" narrative that spawned this crisis.
91% isn’t uncommon but please continue.
It's an online self reported survey. Come on. It's, like, the least reliable study like that which you can have.
There have been similar surveys which also showed very large numbers but not really anything of the order of 91%. There was a decently large one in China for example which was specifically about HOSPITALIZED patients, which showed 76%. But again all of these studies are kind of tough to draw conclusions from because 1) recall bias is a HUGE factor in these studies and 2) 6 months is "long term" but it's not exactly permanent either, so it's questionable what it says for the future.
But in my defense, I expected this to be a one off, half-serious comment instead of a multi-response flame war.
It's the internet sweaty. Everything is a multi response flame war.
To imply that by disagreeing with you (when you are dangerously misrepresenting the illness) means that people here - many of who may have lost people and all of who have been dealing with the same bloody pandemic - are not taking the lives of the millions of dead seriously is despicable. Fuck you!
No I'm legitimately agreeing with you against the tone police person that was just easy evidence
Jesse what the fuck are you talking about. Complaining about individual responsibility is liberalism because it is downstream of the effects of capitalism and because any communist would have advocated full shutdown of all sectors of the economy unnecessary to sustaining human life and a 1-2 month stay at home order with the necessary rent and debt freezes.
Complaining about "tone policing" is also Redditor liberalism.
Concentration difficulty and fatigue are hard to nail down and both symptoms of stress and depression, not exactly permanent tissue damage to the nerves or lungs. They are also symptoms that will be wider-spread the more you tell people they will certainly experience them if they survive covid, because they can be psychosomatically induced, so thanks for that. But in any case, people who catch a disease, even if it could've been prevented through better practices, shouldn't have the blame for that disease, including the deaths of others who catch it, laid at their feet. They are victims of a massive pandemic and accompanying policy failure, including crucial months where the highest authorities were dismissing masks as an effective measure. Imagine saying that sort of thing about the last very bad pandemic that hit America, that it was the fault of the sick for insufficient prophelaxis: you would rightly be considered a monster by people here.
Hundreds of thousands of innocent people who died, innocent unless they suffered from being morally insufficient in your eyes, in which case they had it coming, right?
Everyone who gets covid doesn't get "permanent lung and nerve damage", this is ridiculous doomerism. There is a difference between "long term" and "permanent", and even in the case of long term side effects it's not nearly every case. There is a big issue with recall bias etc in some of the reports which inflated the prevalence of long term complications. Other reports overrepresent hospitalized cases while also mentioning that they have been found in "mild" cases too (mild generally means "not hospitalized" which can be anything but mild) misleading people into thinking it is more common than it is. A number of good studies have found that long term effects exist and especially in hospitalized cases, but it's not as crazy as some articles would have you believe.
Everyone who gets covid doesn’t get “permanent lung and nerve damage”, this is ridiculous doomerism
It's not, most people still have it after 13 months.
also it's way more than 10%
Today my neighbor told me that he's not getting vaccinated because he believes only "people with certain genetics" can get covid. He believes that his genetics prevent him from getting covid.
"Hey!" wack "It's really you're own fault" wack "for failing to produce the proteins" wack "that would prevent" wack "this meat cleaver" wack "from killing you" splatter
he sure doesn’t seem to be able to get it, am I right fellas? sounds like smoothbrain is in his genetics
We know this woman who heard the story that people with a certain blood type has a slightly reduced risk of getting Covid. She has that blood type and now she believes she is completely immune.
Imagine supporting a system where you have to kill 600,000 people because you can't stop making Funko Pops for two weeks or the whole thing will collapse.
Yeah but decimated would mean 10% of people died so not technically correct...
That's also assuming everyone gets tested, right? Unless it's an estimate and not the number of confirmed cases
