Got to love how BlueMaga acts like business isn't driving a lot of these decisions by the CDC. Business has driven nearly all decisions made nationally and locally no matter what letter is next to the politician's name.
I think they see it as a way to incentivize MAGA morons who hate masks to get vaccinated: “see if you get vaccinated you can take off your mask, dum dum” as much as it is a business decision.
Meanwhile the U.K. government is saying that a reintroduction of lockdowns might be necessary due to the Indian variant that is spreading. The non-profit I worked with on state level Covid response in the US didn’t expect a return to “normal” in the US until 2022 at the earliest. The Biden admin is basically rolling the dice here, and it’s going to kill people.
A fun little thought experiment - the current US daily Covid case count is around 40k. This is a country that has “beaten Covid”. Take that number and plug it into this chart in The Lancet, and see how long it would take for a vaccine escape variant to have > 50% probability of arising. Now consider that India detected > 340k cases yesterday alone. I fear this isn’t over by a long shot, but hope that someone can tell me to stop being a doomer and that Sleepy Joe knows what he’s doing.
Some additional light reading:
- https://www.cuimc.columbia.edu/news/new-study-coronavirus-variants-predicts-virus-evolving-escape-current-vaccines-treatments
- https://www.washington.edu/news/2021/04/13/covid-19-vaccines-escape-variants-of-the-coronavirus-are-a-serious-future-threat/
lol remember when Wuhan crematoriums ordered new urns and people decided that meant a trillion billion extra chinese people have died but Indian crematoriums literally are running out of fuel and not a single fucking blip in the media?
Good analogy. It truly is bidens mission accomplished banner
Keeping in mind that I absolutely don't know this, I would guess that would be a consequence of "serious symptoms", the kind that the vaccine appears to entirely prevent for basically everyone that's vaccinated. Though I would not expect that to be true for the immune compromised.
The lung damage people have documented seems to correspond to cases of severe infection, basically.
Though for other symptoms I couldn't even guess.
the mRNA vaccine actually 'cures'(?) a lot of the long hauler symptoms, they have insisted people who have gotten the disease get vaccinated for this reason.
Shit really? Do you have more information on this? I've been isolating instead of getting vaccinated because I was scared it would worsen my long COVID symptoms.
Consider this, though. America is never going to reach herd immunity. We have too many idiots and too many anti-vaxxers. Covid is now and will remain an endemic disease in the US population. Spread is never going to cease. So the question becomes: what now?
I'm going to go with the CDC guidelines, because I really don't see there ever being a point where COVID ceases to be a problem in the US.
This post bothers me.
For starters, COVID becoming endemic was never inevitable. From the word go, it has never been exclusively about individual action as you hint towards, but about governments doing what the fuck they're supposed to do: lockdowns, testing, proper regulations and mandates, and when they became available, widespread vaccination while maintaining all the regulations we have had up until this point. To underscore this, cases have gone down every time even when milquetoast lockdowns (as per the norm for the past year aside from Spring 2020) have been implemented.
By saying that the spread is never going to cease, it is effectively saying that, like the capitalist governments of the world are insisting on, that we 'need to live with the virus'. This has never been the case, and it still does not need to be - the majority of the world's population has not yet been infected, and governments could very well implement a Zero COVID strategy right now and still have success. The reason they won't is because they are driven by businesses to keep conditions favorable for making profits.
COVID will not disappear just because the US manages to vaccinate a good chunk of its population. This virus exists outside of the US: a very, very small portion of the world has been vaccinated, and with governments pursuing 'herd immunity' policies around the globe, a risk of a mutant variant that hampers the effectiveness of the current vaccines will remain present. Should one appear, it will make its way back to the US, and boom! Everything's back to square zero.
What now, you say? The working class needs to fight and underscore the criminality of capitalism and its role in this pandemic. Lives need to be protected, the idea that we 'have to live with the virus' needs to be blown wide open for the fraud that it is. Otherwise, we are letting them get away with doing this now and in the future; we are effectively covering up and enabling the criminal nature of capitalism and its role in this pandemic.
In the meantime, we do what needs to be done to protect our family and community. If that means wearing a mask and social distancing for a long time, so be it.
How about 2-3 more years of restricted contact, AND an indefinite future of deadly airborne disease? Because isolating by yourself doesn't work if nobody else is doing it. And in my entire circle of left/liberal friends and family, I only know one person who has the same attitude as you.
I'm not trying to suggest that your attitude is wrong or bad. On the contrary I'd be inclined to agree with it if it were more widespread. Unfortunately, if the country opens up again (as it will certainly do) then endlessly quarantining will harm your life to no benefit to the wider populace.
You know, that makes me think we might have a mass shooter who kills one of his victims by giving them COVID. :agony-deep:
I've heard them quoting the CDC here that says in 95 million covid vaccines, there are only 9,245 known cases of getting covid after being vaccinated. But me personally, I know at least 2 people who have gotten covid after getting vaccinated... I really wish I could just listen to science but I really don't trust them when they say "OK time to open schools get this economy going again!" I want to go back to normal and these dumbfucks prolonging it every step is so annoying. We're like 30% vaccinated in the US. Idk about this...
Everyone wearing masks all the time and practicing social distancing with strangers is not "back to normal for the most part."
i happen to know someone who is high up in the cdc. theyve been full on 'its no big deal just like the flu' since the beginning. even with the death statistics. entire organization is garbage.
In addition to what's already been outlined in the OP and in the comments here: unless the majority of businesses, universities, eateries etc. require widespread proof of vaccination (and I have my doubts about that), what's stopping someone from not wearing their mask and saying that they were vaccinated? This is effectively ending the mask mandates across the country in a roundabout, underhanded manner.
Vaccinated people, especially in the US and UK, have since been used as a battering ram against any remaining measures in place so the economy can fully reopen and businesses can get back to uninterrupted generation of profits. Then once a variant that evades the current vaccines pops up because of the virus going unchecked elsewhere, they're going to play completely dumbfounded despite knowing full well this would happen.
Disgusting. Not unexpected, but disgusting all the same.
All i can speak about is my university. For fall classes they are letting people upload proof of vax, if you don't or haven't been vaxed you have take/upload a daily COVID test when you get to campus.
didn't Texas fully reopen a while ago? I just watched a big boxing match last week that took place at the Cowboy stadium, and it was packed with sold out 70k fans, the vast majority not wearing masks. How are Texas' #s?
I'm in awe of the fact that you got multiple replies of just "y'all" -- never fucking change, :reddit-logo:. Never fucking change.
That’s why they’re getting rid of the mask mandates. I hope everyone who refuses to get vaccinated dies. The sooner the better.
I've been suspicious of the CDC for a while now. They were still fearmongering marijuana on Fox in 2019.
https://video.foxnews.com/v/5985775287001#sp=show-clips
Also, correct me if I'm wrong and this site can't be trusted. Anecdotally, I know people who have chronic pain and are suffering because of these restrictions.
https://www.acsh.org/news/2020/09/09/time-revise-cdc-‘get-informed’-web-page-15016
Interjection of Hype
The CDC writes:
"Overdose deaths involving prescription opioids were more than four times higher in 2018 than in 1999. In 2018, almost 32 percent of all U.S. opioid overdose deaths involved a prescription opioid. Even though the number of overdose deaths involving prescription opioids decreased in 2018, more than 232,000 people have died in the United States from overdoses involving prescription opioids since 19991. Overdose is not the only risk related to prescription opioids. Anyone who takes prescription opioids can become addicted to them."
My response to these assertions is as follows:
The term "overdose deaths involving prescription opioids" seems to be a deliberate cherry-picking of evidence, to overstate the role of legitimately prescribed opioid pain relievers. Reality is far more ambiguous. There is evidence from multiple published studies that when prescription opioids are found in a postmortem blood tox screen, they are almost always accompanied by non-prescribed or illegal opioids and alcohol. [3, 4] Our so-called opioid crisis is largely one characterized by patients self-medicating by poly-pharmacy due to under-treatment of their pain, plus addicts who have never had a doctor's prescription. The idea that anyone who takes prescription opioids can become addicted to them is simply an outright damned lie! As we are informed by no less an authority than Dr. Nora Volkow and her co-author Dr. McMillan of the National Institute on Drug Abuse, “addiction is not a predictable outcome of prescribing,” and is in fact quite rare even among patients with identified risk factors that may increase vulnerability to substance abuse disorder. [5] The fraction of opioid-naive patients prescribed opioids after surgery who are later diagnosed with substance use disorder is on the order of 0.6%. Studies demonstrating this reality have assessed medical insurance records of over 1.5 million patients. [6] Such numbers almost certainly represent an upper limit, given that the diagnoses are most often made by general practitioners who have no training in the assessment of addiction, and who may render the diagnosis to justify discharging patients whom they regard as a risk to their license because of the hostile regulatory environment."
I just sat there with my mouth agape as he told people who were vaccinated they could take their masks off. Oh good, this will end well. Smh 4evr
