of course even white westerners here still simp for him after he's said multiple times how proud he was to help destroy our countries. Fuck the troops all day.
I mean you could have called him out on it by asking him how he squares ACAB with having been part of the pointy end of the imperialist machine but that'd require you to not uselessly moralize on the subject, right? I mean it's not like you could have also been virtue signaling yourself, because you're clearly The One True Leftist™
Well it's not even calling Carter out in his past, it's literally just moralizing. To me, calling someone out means you expect some type of response from the person you're calling out, and OP clearly didn't.
Yeah but it's pretty clear that pointing out hypocrisy is lib shit and noone cares about hypocrisy.
Nah it's fun to laugh at people's crazytakes on social media.
Why would he even try though? It's pretty clear from the OP's reply that it's a waste of time for him to do so. The dunk is getting ignored?
Alright - so what if that lib rightly believes that it's true? What does that do? Will they somehow decide to vote for left candidates for office? Electoral politics is pushing rope in a lot of ways, but it's also something where the personal morality of the candidate isn't even a factor beyond disqualifying things, and being a baby-killer isn't one of those in the US. Put the shittiest bastard on earth in office if they can forward my political goals.
i don’t really know what you’re arguing here, are you arguing against liberals moving further left? is that not a good thing?
No, moving people left is a good thing - I didn't mean to make that as muddled as I did
we’re talking about an electoralist who pretends to be on the left not being able to defend themselves or even realize that they too are/were at some point in their lives, a fucking bastard.
My comments weren't all that well thought out - I haven't been following Carter closely enough to know exactly what he's said about his service, but I do know it's sort of worthless electorally to admit he was a bastard. Should he? Yes, absolutely, but if it doesn't play with his constituents, and it's only for the very online leftists, then it's a waste of time.
personal morality is the only factor when it comes to representation.
Who's he representing? The left as a whole? Did he claim to do that? Did The Squad ever claim to do that? Will socialism get support because all the elected representatives pushing left are paragons of virtue? I don't think it will. Having someone say "yes, I'm a socialist and I got you this school breakfast program/addiction treatment center/school funding" very well could.
I ended up editing my comment - what I mean to say is bringing meaningful improvements to people's lives and attributing it to socialists is more important than their morality in the view of other socialists themselves
Yeah, you're right - honestly it just gets me that people try to call out elected leftists as if the expectation is that they're going to be good somehow. I mean it's not necessarily punching left, but it does seem kinda unproductive/masturbatory IMO
Buddy, you have no idea who you're talking to. I'm the top mod of r/politics. I know every line from the West Wing. I have every Democratic presidential campaign logo since Mondale tattooed on every inch of my body. I played the lead role in Hamilton for a Warren fundraiser at my community theater in blackface, and was given a standing ovation. Now you better show some civility and apologize before I ban your ass from here to Pret a Manger.
Not to defend soldiers, but you're just "virtue signaling" too lmao
No one in the global south cares if you've
pretended toread Settlers.If you're calling Lee Carter a chud, you're so far disconnected from mainstream politics that you're nowhere close to getting anything done.
I don’t care if I’m disconnected from American mainstream politics
What does matter to me is American foreign politics
So you don't care about American politics, but you do
:galaxy-brain:
I care about his bad foreign-policy positions.
Considering how you or I have as much influence over American foreign policy as he does, this is just laughable.
What are his foreign policy positions? I don’t really keep up with regional politics.
All the more embarrassing that you're bragging about getting blocked by American former politicians on Twitter.
If Carter defends the US military in any way, he’s a chud. That’s a certified social democracy is the left wing of fascism moment
social democracy is the left wing of fascism
Another hit on the "nowhere close to getting anything done" album
This place is getting embarrassing. Just completely disconnected from anyone trying to accomplish anything in the real world.
It wasn't always this bad. We used to at least entertain the idea that calling every American leftist with a platform a fascist might be counterproductive.
Social democracy is the left wing of liberalism. If liberalism == fascism, then words don't fucking mean anything.
And fascism is liberalism in decline, so...? Like what’s fascism if not the imperialism of liberalism brought home from the ‘frontier’
Most social democrats in America are persuadable. True fascists are not.
You have to understand, while it's appealing to just parrot refrains from the 1930s about social democrats and fascists, the political situation in the United States is completely different to that of Weimar Germany. In Germany after WWI, there was a communist party with actual social influence. Those who chose to be social democrats did so because they had an ideological commitment to anticommunism. This is NOT the case in America. People become social democrats because they see the myriad problems that capitalism causes in this country, but American politics skew so right-wing and communism is so taboo that social democracy is seen as the extent of what's politically possible on the Left. Those social democrats are absolutely persuadable.
Agreed, the material conditions produce different political outcomes so yes in America social democrats are the best we get and yes they are persuadable. But they’re also not revolutionary and they never have been exactly because they link into the institutions of the bourgeois state. Their failure to break from those institutions helps reinforce them and allow them to persist as they devolve into fascism re:Weimar Republic. SocDems are only useful in as much as their ability to break their ties to those institutions and work to end them/gum them up to be less effective (ie their ability to stop being SocDems)
Ok buddy. Keep mangling words to the ends of their meanings for aesthetic purposes so long as it makes you feel better.
Wealth.
Don't act like these NIMBYs are the same people supporting Lee Carter.
If you think Lee Carter left office because True Leftists™ realized he's an imperialist, you have more brainworms than you accuse me of having.
"Hey, you know that leftist that spent the past 4 years getting meaningful shit done in Virginia? The one who got a cap on insulin prices? Yeah, that dude was in the marines like 15 years ago and hasn't screamed 'Death to yt' in the past 6 months, so we're going to cancel him because absolute ideological purity is more important than real life praxis."
Hexbear is absolutely drowning in people who need to log off Twitter for a few hours and go do something else.
hasn’t screamed ‘Death to yt’
is very different to
is proud of his time in warcrimes inc.
Not liking Carter being "proud to have served the US Army" is ideological purity? What kind of "leftist" are you to think only American lives matter?
If "Lee Carter == chud", then I have some bad news for you about 330 million+ people in America. Perhaps the thought of purging or putting 330 million people in a gulag gives you a warm fuzzy feeling, but at the very least you have to admit that all you're doing is circlejerking.
And then Lenin gulaged the entire Russian army for serving in WW1
or something
the Russian Army was conscripted to fight in ww1, joining the US army is a choice
I don't think the White Army joined the Red Army after the civil war though.
Interesting, I only thought they incorporated the former Tsarist officials into the civil administration but were weary of letting in potential traitors into the military. I stand wrong.
Pick your battles and dunk on actual chuds who haven't capped insulin prices in Virginia, and then you can talk to me about brainworms.
Cool. I'm done with this terminally online bullshit. Have fun alienating everyone you know.
"You shouldnt shit on troops and shouldnt moralize individuals bro, its the MACHINE , something something structual analysis bro , we gotta win em over bro trust me its propaganda's fault" . . . "Yeah what about cops?, FUCK ALL OF THEM PIECE OF SHIT PIGS BEINGS DESERVE NO SYMPATHY THEY FORFIETED THE RIGHT TO BE TREATED AS HUMANS WHEN THEY BECAME COPS"
I am a very coherent american leftist and these are totally different things cause i say so and cause otherwise i would feel like a hypocrite . Also i can still be friends with that troop friend from highschool without any personal conflict
There are massive massive amounts of pro cop propaganda and bias at every cultural and social level of american society. Cop good, cop hero, cop catch bad guys, cop keep safe neighbourhood from goons.Movies, tv, news, politicians, family. Even if its shaken a bit in the last year or so, the cops we ACAB at surely have joined way before. If its excusable to become a troop cause of the propaganda and social and cultural bias and constructed image its similarly excusable to chose to become a cop as well. Never see any leftists keeping this energy for cops tho, why
I do agree about the corades that openly regred and copletely denounce their service (Carter isnt one of them ) but these excuses i pointed out towards one group and not the other (while they apply to both equaly) are used as a general approach towards all troops and zero cops. Just because more military veterans turn socialist than former cops that doesnt begin to explain and and justify these diametricaly opposed behaviors towards those groups and justifications given for them. Also that very fact of more former troops denouncing their service is probably cause most cops work till like their 50s and and its a decade spanning profession for almost anyone. Soldiers and more specificaly active troop have a much shorter turnout rate and almost never leave or stop being active for ideological reasons or cause they regret their actions. If a very small minority of them regrets it afterwards its not cause they are more working class than cops but cause they get time away from active service anyway much sooner.
And the additional point is that there is no reason to believe that this wouldnt happen for a small minority either way even if the revolutionary left treated troops and cops, military and police rhetorically in the same way. Otherwise we should stop doing it to cops to and see them turn around in bigger numbers
What are they supposed to do, not decide to sail halfway around the world and murder brown people?
Idk, it seems like Lee Carter has tried to make up for the fact that he worked for the US war machine. Here's a speech he gave against intervention in Syria: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K26yyUkdwFM. The rhetoric isn't perfect but he was talking to other U.S. officials, and he closes out the speech by listing all of the ways in which previous American interventions resulted in nothing but suffering, and closed with "regime change has no good ending."
I get that American electoralism is dogshit and shouldn't be where we focus our energy and that some might not be able to personally forgive Carter for his time as a troop but the weird animosity toward him since his loss has seemed misplaced. Him being in office was still a small net positive. Also bragging about your Twitter blocks will never not be :cringe:
Noooo muh wholesome trooperinos!!!11
:wojak-nooo: :bootlicker:
And have brought and enforced a thousand times the death, pain and misery the domestic cops have with the latter's fascistic practices being just watered and scaled down (still auful) versions of what the green wearing ones have mastered through practice on tens of millions of humans souls ,and continue to do still
Chapo imperialists really tell on themselves with these types of threads. Same energy as saying people sign up due to poverty or some shit when that really only applies to a minority of recruits
And Cops and Troops literally have basicaly the same demographics and lower income backgrounds arent noticably overrepresented in either lmao.
Edit:Found the evergreen copypasta
POV: Americans invade your country
You see american choppers in the bright blue sky, hundreds and hundreds of screaming american soldiers drop from it, you look across the field and see the tanks rolling in. You hear a loud explosion and realise that the shrine you have protected for thousands of years with tooth and nail is destroyed by the empire, you come to the realisation that this is very probably the end of your people who’ve struggled to survive all these centuries.You realise that very soon there is going to be a river of blood of your people here; white phosphorus and depleted uranium will be shot very soon, deforming babies for decades to come, and millions of your people are gonna be killed. Your millennia old language and religion will be wiped out, you’re very likely the last of your kind.
Suddenly, an American soldier kicks you down, puts his foot on your neck and aims his standard ar-15 on the side of your head all while screaming; you realise you’re gonna die, and you won’t have to see the destruction of your community that you fostered so carefully all these centuries for.
Just before he pulls the trigger, you think to yourself, “To be fair to him, he probably had a low GPA in highschool and didnt have a health-care, those are notoriously hard to get in America”
Unrelated but why the hell is the coast guard so white? Like do they have nazi initiation rituals or something?
Do it anyway I'm sure that the:lmayo:s on here will be fine. If not tough luck for them
Checks out from all the bs USA coast guard programs they show on the TV here. Dudes quaking in his boots over a rubber boat a mile away, like come on you're on board a warship behind a 50 cal machine gun, and that person on the boat is probably some poor immigrant or drug smuggler. Also the way they talk about immigrants on there is horrible dehumanising nonsense.
It happened in the old subreddit too, and it is usually because they know people who are or were in the US military and refuse to label them with being bad for joining an institution of global white supremacy and enforcers of hegemonic Western capital.
Threads like these make me wonder if a mass left-wing movement will ever succeed in the US. Y'all need fucking help if you're wasting your time being holier-than-thou dunking on one of the only proclaimed socialists in US elected office, rather than doing real organizing and actually talking to people.
Dude should've just resigned and told people that the job was too stressful due to constant death threats and the uselessness of electoral politics. There's zero shame in that. Instead he tried to pull some governor run that was doomed to fail.
Also people on here defending troops is getting real old. Stop that. They're the global imperialist police. If you say ACAB you should have no problems condemning the troops. If you do have a problem with anti troop rectoric, you have imperialist brainworms.
...You think he ran for governor because he didn't want to just resign? Or just not run for another term?
Chauvinism and never actually being close to the helish reality and impact of the american military for hundreds of million, while being face to face with the impact of lets say the police (hence no holding back from yelling ACAB). Literally every single "reasoning" used on why its not marxist and its wrong to attack the troops can be used against ACAB and shitting on police officers
But is this really about attacking "the troops", or attacking one specific former troop who has since gone on to do good works? I mean I'll say fuck the troops all day but still recognize there can be former troops (there are even some on this site) who can reject it and embrace anti-imperialism?
nah, you can still think what carter has done politically in the last few years is awesome and still call them out on joining the imperialist death machine, they're the lib for not doing the self crit
:shrug-outta-hecks:
maybe they wouldn't be so abrasive if lee didn't publicly stress how proud they were of their marine service, which imo is quite a tad bit lamer
any excuse of saying that to dodge political scrutiny is now moot so the quarter chip is on their side of the game table now
Thanks to this post we get to see all these awful takes so there's that
Posting your own twitter interactions will always be lame and I’ll die on that hill
You know I just don't get this whole"oh that's just lame" thing! What is this obsession with "coolness"?!
This post is about something that seems kinda important so I'd expect the discussion to be about that and not how lame or cool something is... just seems a bit childish imo
This post is about something that seems kinda important
Nothing about this post has any bearing on anything. It's some internet rando getting banned by a former state-level politician.
I already made the point elsewhere that the importance of this post lies in people defending the troops...
No one is defending the troops. People are criticizing how lame it is to intentionally get blocked then brag about it, how calling one of the furthest-left politicians in the country a chud is counterproductive, etc.
You know what, I wasn't gonna do it but seeing as this is your take I think it's okay to link:
personally invade other countries and kill their children
Is every troop doing this?
Suggesting that some troop getting coffee in Texas is as culpable as some military-adjacent civilian getting coffee down the street is hardly a defense of anyone.
But keep trying to own people instead of having a conversation; that's productive
not doing the self crit
Could swear he's had multiple long Twitter threads about this. Not sure this is true.
closest thing i could find was this where he criticizes foreign policy but still emphasizes his pride in his service and just goes "thankfully all i did was fix phones guys!"
idk what else you want that google didn't provide? if you want to make your point back it up and don't command others to do it.
